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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:41 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Curnow on Watson and Armfield on Stanton.

Shut them down and its all over.


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Curnow to Stanton.
Armfield to Hibberd.
Cachia/Carrazzo to Watson


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:51 am 
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Yeah, fair point, Club. I like Casboult in the side, because I think he's our best key forward option on the list at the moment (after Waite) by a fair margin. But I don't rate Kreuzer as a 1st ruck, and thought he was pretty good up forward last week.

And I agree that we won't be seeing 3 big lugs in the same team again in the foreseeable future.


MM will work towards to playing 3 talls up fwd, his thought of that's how finals are won as it stretches the oppositions
KPD stocks covering all 3 so at least 1 should get off the chain.
Think we'll trial Casboult in tandem with Waite this week with Kruezer up there as well in between rucking interchanges with Warnock.


I know what you are saying Birdtown but I don't reckon Malthouse will go that way. He will work with what works for the list and that sort of setup works against our strengths.

If we are in a grandfinal and its tight and players a moving it forward at all costs 3 tall forwards is probably the go but we need to get there first. The game is changing a bit. The press is still having an impact but not as much as it once did. Slingshot is coming into play. Pace on the rebound and pace defending a rebound are super important. That pace also works with the press so it is a win win. 3 talls forwards will see that win break down a bit IMO.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:03 pm 
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club29 wrote:
BIRDTOWN wrote:
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Yeah, fair point, Club. I like Casboult in the side, because I think he's our best key forward option on the list at the moment (after Waite) by a fair margin. But I don't rate Kreuzer as a 1st ruck, and thought he was pretty good up forward last week.

And I agree that we won't be seeing 3 big lugs in the same team again in the foreseeable future.


MM will work towards to playing 3 talls up fwd, his thought of that's how finals are won as it stretches the oppositions
KPD stocks covering all 3 so at least 1 should get off the chain.
Think we'll trial Casboult in tandem with Waite this week with Kruezer up there as well in between rucking interchanges with Warnock.


I know what you are saying Birdtown but I don't reckon Malthouse will go that way. He will work with what works for the list and that sort of setup works against our strengths.

If we are in a grandfinal and its tight and players a moving it forward at all costs 3 tall forwards is probably the go but we need to get there first. The game is changing a bit. The press is still having an impact but not as much as it once did. Slingshot is coming into play. Pace on the rebound and pace defending a rebound are super important. That pace also works with the press so it is a win win. 3 talls forwards will see that win break down a bit IMO.


And let's face it, has a team had three guy's of this quality, who also bring the same defensive pressure?

Intereting that MM had Yarran starting a little further up the ground yesterday.

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It will be interesting to see who they try and tag Walker with. He is the man at the moment and I think alot of thought will go into him. Good luck trying to keep up with him. :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:13 pm 
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It will be interesting to see who they try and tag Walker with. He is the man at the moment and I think alot of thought will go into him. Good luck trying to keep up with him. :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:14 pm 
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It will be interesting to see who they try and tag Walker with. He is the man at the moment and I think alot of thought will go into him. Good luck trying to keep up with him. :lol: :lol:

Regards Cazzesman



Heppell, Heppell, Heppell oh please put Heppell on him. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:24 pm 
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Something out of left field.

Levi is too good a talent to drop. The gorilla (hope I haven't villified anyone) we need up forward. Can actually take a pack mark. Decent second string ruck.

As much as we all love Kruezer he isn't a forward and he he isn't a tap ruck. But he is great around the ground.

Warnock is a tap ruck but not much else.

So why not play all three.

BUT with Kreuzer as the substitute? Run Warnock into the ground for two and a half quarters then bring Kreuzer on and ruck him solid for the last quarter and a half.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:36 pm 
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Doc Larkins said on channel seven that he thinks judd might miss next week???



Doc Larkins is a know it all. Truly shits me.
What does he know about Judd?
Judd was expected to be ready for GWS and by his own admission Judd wasn't quite right according to MM.
Why does that make it a 2 week lay off?

I bet Judd plays against the Bumbers.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:42 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Something out of left field.

Levi is too good a talent to drop. The gorilla (hope I haven't villified anyone) we need up forward. Can actually take a pack mark. Decent second string ruck.

As much as we all love Kruezer he isn't a forward and he he isn't a tap ruck. But he is great around the ground.

Warnock is a tap ruck but not much else.

So why not play all three.

BUT with Kreuzer as the substitute? Run Warnock into the ground for two and a half quarters then bring Kreuzer on and ruck him solid for the last quarter and a half.


Any thoughts?


yeah, I didn't think that watching the game.
don't mind him away from goal. (far away...joking......kind of...)
of course he has plenty of time to improve.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:52 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:

So why not play all three.

BUT with Kreuzer as the substitute? Run Warnock into the ground for two and a half quarters then bring Kreuzer on and ruck him solid for the last quarter and a half.


Any thoughts?


Just no.
Sub has to be a running impact player.
What would Kreuzer bring in the last quarter that he wouldn't bring in the first 3?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:55 pm 
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If we're to play 3 talls in future... I'd like to see two (of the 3) recognised ruckmen and Casboult

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:58 pm 
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club29 wrote:
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yep. can't see Knockers coming back in. doesn't mark it, doesn't kick it. occasionally handballs it. doesn't contribute anywhere near enough.


A lot of posters obviously don't rate the benefit of getting centre clearances. We've dominated in this area when Warnock has been playing. And struggled otherwise. Kreuzer's a good player, but still not convinced he's a real ruckman.


Problem is to have the win in those centre taps we sacrifice Kruezers strengths and we lose a marking forward. That is up to the coaches to weigh up. A close call i'd say. I could go either way.

Waite, Kruezer up front and Warnock in ruck - no casboult
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Waite, Casboult up front and Kruezer in the ruck.


or Waite + Casboult up front and Warnock in the ruck - No Kruiz


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:00 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
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Kreuzer thrives on being the ruckman.


Problem is, I'm not sure our midfield thrives on him being the ruckman. Bellchambers will outreach him. And Ryder will jump all over him. If Warnock is fit, he'll be back in.


I'm with you Stefchook.

I don't think we can afford to give them a win in the ruck on a platter. Warnock takes first ruck for mine.
I liked Casboult in the ruck yesterday...in fact I liked his pure ruckwork moreso than Kreuzer's yesterday, but loved Kreuzers game.

Just because Kreuzer thrives in the ruck doesn't mean he's a good enough ruckman to play in the ruck. IMO Kreuzer has to improve in other areas of his game just like most others do. I think he just has to get his kicking back and hold a couple of those contested marks. He has the tools.

I believe Kreuzer will be a success as a forward when he regains his skill to kick straight. If he kicked all those misses in the last month he would be the KPF we've been waiting for. He can make it as a forward. He'll come good as a forward and he stretches their backline too.

I'd have Kreuzer in before Casboult, but Casboult is a damn good catch of the high contested ball. If we can't play Hendo as a CHF then I think we'll need Casboult with Waite and Kreuzer being the 3rd tall and ruck rover in the forwardline.

I think the MC will choose who they have to based on the match ups.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:02 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
blueoutlaw wrote:
Doc Larkins said on channel seven that he thinks judd might miss next week???



Doc Larkins is a know it all. Truly shits me.
What does he know about Judd?
Judd was expected to be ready for GWS and by his own admission Judd wasn't quite right according to MM.
Why does that make it a 2 week lay off?

I bet Judd plays against the Bumbers.


hope so BB. :smile:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:03 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Kreuzer thrives on being the ruckman.


Problem is, I'm not sure our midfield thrives on him being the ruckman. Bellchambers will outreach him. And Ryder will jump all over him. If Warnock is fit, he'll be back in.


Totally agree.. I dont think he is a ruckman nor a forward, nor a backman. he s a tallish, slowish, versatile utility.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:05 pm 
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DenimUndies wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Kreuzer thrives on being the ruckman.


Problem is, I'm not sure our midfield thrives on him being the ruckman. Bellchambers will outreach him. And Ryder will jump all over him. If Warnock is fit, he'll be back in.


Totally agree.. I dont think he is a ruckman nor a forward, nor a backman. he s a tallish, slowish, versatile utility.


:donk: You are kidding yourself.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:09 pm 
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Betts is a walk up start...he's fit and hungry and supremely talented compared to anyone vying for his spot in the first 18.

Bettsy can also play in the midfield which I expect along with Garlett and Yarran to add a bit of x factor in there which may give us the luxury to retain Menzel in the forwardline with 2 of the 3 Amogos at any given time.

Judd should be primed for this game following the rest, and Carrazzo said he's been aiming to be ready for the Bumbers game and my bet is he will play too if he's fit. Carrazzo had a very good preseason and has a great fitness base to come in and play well after missing so much. He'll be fresh and ready to give these pricks a taste of their own medicine.

This is the game I want to win...just as much as I NEED to beat the Pies.

Season defining game. We want their spot and Freo's too.
Lets see if we've got what it takes.

IN: JUDD BETTS CARRAZZO WARNOCK..........and Lucas if we need more pace.....mmmm Lucas or Menzel?????

OUT: Candidates include Bell, Menzel, Cachia, Casboult, Bootsma.........White was outstanding yesterday, but he might be another to make way if Hendo plays fwd.

Curnow for Stanton
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:14 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
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So why not play all three.

BUT with Kreuzer as the substitute? Run Warnock into the ground for two and a half quarters then bring Kreuzer on and ruck him solid for the last quarter and a half.


Any thoughts?


Just no.
Sub has to be a running impact player.
What would Kreuzer bring in the last quarter that he wouldn't bring in the first 3?


Warnock will have beaten the taller, higher jumping ruckmen who by then have started to tire. They will not keep up with Kreuzer's running ability and that is his impact. Don't many on this forum liken him to a modern day ruck rover?

Anyway what is this sub HAS to be a running impact player? The sub needs to fit into the team structure I would have thought. IMHO of course.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:15 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
DenimUndies wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Kreuzer thrives on being the ruckman.


Problem is, I'm not sure our midfield thrives on him being the ruckman. Bellchambers will outreach him. And Ryder will jump all over him. If Warnock is fit, he'll be back in.


Totally agree.. I dont think he is a ruckman nor a forward, nor a backman. he s a tallish, slowish, versatile utility.


:donk: You are kidding yourself.


Perhaps I am, but then perhaps you are, in any case its becoming clearer that he isn't our best ruck, nor is he currently an effective forward, nor is he an effective back, master of none, reasonable utility overall

Not that they will, but no concerns if they were to drop him to make way for CHF eddie next week. Bolt and 206 is enough.


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