R5: Carlton v Adelaide (Post Match Discussion)

camel · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:39 am

Teddy Hopkins wrote:

Why the mass distaste for Lucas?? He isn't the perfect footballer, particularly regarding the physical elements of the game.

But he is fit, can, run, is fast, can mark, kick a goal, and is still young. And he had stunted development under Ratten.

I know everyone wants instant gratification but he is on the improve, is playing reasonably well and should be left to develop until he has such a howler a la Hampson that it can be said, enough.

Agreed. His improvement under Malthouse has been clear. He's played 10 games or so and in that context is doing okay IMO.

Ponkstar · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:10 am

FWIW I thought Lucas had pretty much his best game for us yet. Still has a loong way to go with his disposal and decision making, but I seem to remember Carazzo getting slammed for that in the first five years of his career with us, so it is something that can be turned around.

I understand the frustration at the last quarter and our inability to run games out but to be fair dinkum, this Carlton team is effectively the same team that got pummeled by Port Adelaide and easily beaten by Gold Coast last year - so we don't really have the right to demand a 10 goal thrashing of one of last year's top 4.

Plenty of positives and for me one of the biggest is that this must be one of the first games in recent memory where we have not conceded a single goal in the last 2-3 minutes of a quarter.

Add to that the form of Mclean, Walker, Yarran, Garlett, Warnock, Jamo etc is something pretty encouraging from my viewpoint.

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:27 am

Another positive is we kicked the first 3 goals & still won.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

A win is a win ... but not impressed. Adelaide were unlucky with injuries. Our entry into the forward line was crap ... back to the big bomb. A better team than Adelaide (for example Sydney, Hawthorn) would have beat us easily. Until we find a couple of tall marking forwards that can consistently take a grab ... please spare us this crap.
Some good individual performances helped. Happy to win ... but it won't cut the mustard against good teams.

Blue Revival · **Joined:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:36 am **Posts:** 983

You can be sure that had we won by 10+ goals, there would be people on this site bemoaning the fact we had such an easy win, when what we really needed was a tight 4 quarter match. We are a work in progress, and as far as I can see, we're heading in the right direction, but still plenty of work to do. Enjoy the ride people. Great signs so far this year from Walker, Yarran, Garlett, McLean, Jamison and Warnock.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:35 am

Blue Revival wrote:

You can be sure that had we won by 10+ goals, there would be people on this site bemoaning the fact we had such an easy win, when what we really needed was a tight 4 quarter match. We are a work in progress, and as far as I can see, we're heading in the right direction, but still plenty of work to do. Enjoy the ride people. Great signs so far this year from Walker, Yarran, Garlett, McLean, Jamison and Warnock.

yeah i want us to be putting teams like adelaide to the sword... BUT... we need games where we are challeneged so we can tough them out.

so yeah on one hand id be happy smashing adelaide but i know it would nt have been what we needed.

melb on the other hand.. we need to smash.... cos theyre shit!!!

chelodina · **Joined:** Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:43 pm **Posts:** 1323

Synbad wrote:

Blueboy_Dan wrote:

Warby wrote:

Hey you doomsayers......we won by 5 goals....get a grip!

We won but again, far from convincing. Too many turnovers, cheap goals conceded, our regulation fade out in the last quarter. We also seem to blindly bomb the ball to nowhere a lot and give it straight back to our opponents, this happened at least 10 times today.

From what I see we are miles away from being a top 4 side, top 8 at best. Not necessarily a bad thing, a decent base for Mick to build from, but gee I think we're kidding ourselves if we expect to be challenging this season.

In any case, good to see Simmo get back to some form, his best game for the year. Judd was immense, Murph solid, Walker great again, Tuohy was good at the back. Yarran all class again in the last with the steadier and Jeffy with 4 goals continuing his good form.

Im with everyone on Hampson, he has to go, we can't persist with him much longer. 206 on the other hand was immense, great to see him in good form, he's our number 1 ruck defnitiely.

Im happy we got the win and we should be 3-3 next week so our season is back on track, but gee would it hurt for us to run out a game comfortably for a change?

Ken doll played his usual dangerous key post briliiant game

That guy.... needs to go the Magoos and learn to ruck...a career as a CHF is not beckoning......
His only chance is to learn to ruck and play elsewhere.

as for Rowe.

Setanta >>>>>>>>Rowe

No stamina.. ....

Setanta has still only taken 2 marks in both the last two games against the suns and Melbourne.

Megaman · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:41 am

On TalkingAdelaide they'd be pissed off that they played Simmo back into form

sablueboy · **Joined:** Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:43 pm **Posts:** 89

Why is everyone so critical of the last quarter so we lost a quarter by 7 points, the positive you take out of it was we didn't panic and drop the bundle. Like other teams do/did. Think everyone way too critical of Lucas, clearly game time is his friend. Have to agree with the majority here, Hammer is lacking. In the past I have had my doubts about Gibbs but after he was subbed off yesterday I felt the backline started to disintergrate. But the best thing about being SA based is I get to hear all the Crows supporters squeal like little schoolgirls. Gotta love that.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:56 am

chelodina wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Blueboy_Dan wrote:

Warby wrote:

Hey you doomsayers......we won by 5 goals....get a grip!

We won but again, far from convincing. Too many turnovers, cheap goals conceded, our regulation fade out in the last quarter. We also seem to blindly bomb the ball to nowhere a lot and give it straight back to our opponents, this happened at least 10 times today.

From what I see we are miles away from being a top 4 side, top 8 at best. Not necessarily a bad thing, a decent base for Mick to build from, but gee I think we're kidding ourselves if we expect to be challenging this season.

In any case, good to see Simmo get back to some form, his best game for the year. Judd was immense, Murph solid, Walker great again, Tuohy was good at the back. Yarran all class again in the last with the steadier and Jeffy with 4 goals continuing his good form.

Im with everyone on Hampson, he has to go, we can't persist with him much longer. 206 on the other hand was immense, great to see him in good form, he's our number 1 ruck defnitiely.

Im happy we got the win and we should be 3-3 next week so our season is back on track, but gee would it hurt for us to run out a game comfortably for a change?

Ken doll played his usual dangerous key post briliiant game

That guy.... needs to go the Magoos and learn to ruck...a career as a CHF is not beckoning......
His only chance is to learn to ruck and play elsewhere.

as for Rowe.

Setanta >>>>>>>>Rowe

No stamina.. ....

Setanta has still only taken 2 marks in both the last two games against the suns and Melbourne.

yeah but he has kicked 7 in 2 games coming back from a knee reco

in the meantime our key forwards are about as useful as a lead guitarist in the 70s band Status Quo

club29 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:56 am

limestone wrote:

Synbad wrote:

jim wrote:

club29 wrote:

Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.

Couldn't agree more, he can start forward or even back if needed at the bounces, then go roam. Use him where they need him.otherwse he knows where to go. The Roamer- exactly

Yeah but he will have an opponent to be accountable for in that situation so that could make it tricky and he will need to be part of a team defensive structure so it won't be simple. The fact that Warnock is one dimensional (even though fantastic at that dimension when fit and in form) makes our ruck situation tricky.

Kruezer is not as bad as some are saying as a forward. A lot better than what hampson and rowe showed last night. He could roam the front half. KPF's take ages to come on. Kruezer could be ready make the move. Combined with Waite we will be a lot more dangerous in attack.

This to me is the only way to play both him and a tap ruck. The roaming the field bit along side a tap ruckman will only work in bursts in my opinion and even then i don't think it is a tactic that would reap us any more reward than sitting him inside fifty tractoring his way through congestion.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:13 am

Synbad wrote:

jim wrote:

club29 wrote:

Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.

Bingo.

limestone · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:37 am **Posts:** 770

club29 wrote:

limestone wrote:

Synbad wrote:

jim wrote:

club29 wrote:

Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.

Couldn't agree more, he can start forward or even back if needed at the bounces, then go roam. Use him where they need him.otherwse he knows where to go. The Roamer- exactly

Yeah but he will have an opponent to be accountable for in that situation so that could make it tricky and he will need to be part of a team defensive structure so it won't be simple. The fact that Warnock is one dimensional (even though fantastic at that dimension when fit and in form) makes our ruck situation tricky.

Kruezer is not as bad as some are saying as a forward. A lot better than what hampson and rowe showed last night. He could roam the front half. KPF's take ages to come on. Kruezer could be ready make the move. Combined with Waite we will be a lot more dangerous in attack.

This to me is the only way to play both him and a tap ruck. The roaming the field bit along side a tap ruckman will only work in bursts in my opinion and even then i don't think it is a tactic that would reap us any more reward than sitting him inside fifty tractoring his way through congestion.

Yes,agree, there will be times when he will need to be forward a lot and combine with Waite and Rowe/cas, and maybe other times we need more players around the ball, or someone to help receive the kick outs if Warnock is covered and we r struggling to get the ball out. I would think it would vary week to week, whether it throws the entire strutchere out I would not have a clue.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

A typically exciting yet wildly erratic and undisciplined win by Carlton. Prepare the straight jacket for Mick because this team will drive him completely insane.

Garlett has been our best player this year IMO - working hard which is showcasing his natural talent - brilliant to watch.

Hendo is developing into a very solid KPP - hugely important to our fortunes.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:24 am

Synbad wrote:

jim wrote:

club29 wrote:

Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.

Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.

Bingo.

chelodina · **Joined:** Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:43 pm **Posts:** 1323

Synbad wrote:

chelodina wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Blueboy_Dan wrote:

Warby wrote:

Hey you doomsayers......we won by 5 goals....get a grip!

We won but again, far from convincing. Too many turnovers, cheap goals conceded, our regulation fade out in the last quarter. We also seem to blindly bomb the ball to nowhere a lot and give it straight back to our opponents, this happened at least 10 times today.

From what I see we are miles away from being a top 4 side, top 8 at best. Not necessarily a bad thing, a decent base for Mick to build from, but gee I think we're kidding ourselves if we expect to be challenging this season.

In any case, good to see Simmo get back to some form, his best game for the year. Judd was immense, Murph solid, Walker great again, Tuohy was good at the back. Yarran all class again in the last with the steadier and Jeffy with 4 goals continuing his good form.

Im with everyone on Hampson, he has to go, we can't persist with him much longer. 206 on the other hand was immense, great to see him in good form, he's our number 1 ruck defnitiely.

Im happy we got the win and we should be 3-3 next week so our season is back on track, but gee would it hurt for us to run out a game comfortably for a change?

Ken doll played his usual dangerous key post briliiant game

That guy.... needs to go the Magoos and learn to ruck...a career as a CHF is not beckoning......
His only chance is to learn to ruck and play elsewhere.

as for Rowe.

Setanta >>>>>>>>Rowe

No stamina.. ....

Setanta has still only taken 2 marks in both the last two games against the suns and Melbourne.

yeah but he has kicked 7 in 2 games coming back from a knee reco

in the meantime our key forwards are about as useful as a lead guitarist in the 70s band Status Quo

You have been saving that one up haven't you Synbad.

I like setanta and we should have kept him. But he isn't the answer as a KPF. Cloke or Lynch or even Dawes were the options we needed to land. Actually Waite playing 15-20 games with Rowe and Casboult progressing was equally as likely us landing Cloke. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Pleased with the win, but we weren't super convincing. Still lots of work to do....

Next.

barass · **Posted:** Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:34 am

Good win... and my 6yr old daughter got very excited when Yazz iced the game in the last! Fan for life... that's the way to increase and maintain memberships people.

Looks like MM is close to having the backline sorted... really like having Walker, Gibbs and Tuohy there to launch attacks. With Jamo and Hendo solid rocks it's coming together nicely.... along with our new BP superstar Kade Simpson.

If Lucas can get some strength around the contest he could be anything... he knows where to run to find the ball and space.

I agree with Club 29, Kreuz forward... I remember a game in his first season against Port Adelaide where he won the game in the last qtr as a CHF. How old is he again... 23? We can't rely on Waite, so either Cas or Squid. Hampson I think has done his dash and will likely be consigned to back up ruckman status... the Cameron Wood on this list.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

sablueboy wrote:

Why is everyone so critical of the last quarter so we lost a quarter by 7 points, the positive you take out of it was we didn't panic and drop the bundle. Like other teams do/did. Think everyone way too critical of Lucas, clearly game time is his friend. Have to agree with the majority here, Hammer is lacking. In the past I have had my doubts about Gibbs but after he was subbed off yesterday I felt the backline started to disintergrate. But the best thing about being SA based is I get to hear all the Crows supporters squeal like little schoolgirls. Gotta love that.

It was more the first 20mins of the last. Another patch where we switched off. Was great that we lifted again though.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

barass wrote:

Good win... and my 6yr old daughter got very excited when Yazz iced the game in the last! Fan for life... that's the way to increase and maintain memberships people.

Looks like MM is close to having the backline sorted... really like having Walker, Gibbs and Tuohy there to launch attacks. With Jamo and Hendo solid rocks it's coming together nicely.... along with our new BP superstar Kade Simpson.

If Lucas can get some strength around the contest he could be anything... he knows where to run to find the ball and space.

I agree with Club 29, Kreuz forward... I remember a game in his first season against Port Adelaide where he won the game in the last qtr as a CHF. How old is he again... 23? We can't rely on Waite, so either Cas or Squid. Hampson I think has done his dash and will likely be consigned to back up ruckman status... the Cameron Wood on this list.

The thing with Kreuzer is everyone remembers that GAME. Why? It's the only game he made a real impact up forward.

I remember round 1 the past two years also, Hampson looks like a Goliath. Yet it rarely happens again.

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