Maybe so but I can't believe they get so many pick 30+ selections so right, as Synbad alludes to its all about culture and development, Geelong and Collingwood have it (in spades) we don't.

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Fox Footy 360 just had up on screen this game being at Metricon. I wish!

THIS!

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can somebody please tell me who picks the team on game day, name the panel and who has final word

Synbad, Club and Benji.

Synbad.

This. Compare with the players the Dees have taken over the last 5 years. They weren't all spud picks.

Not convinced. The draft is overrated. Development is underrated.

..yup, spot on.. ..no point debating how we got to this point, except to be sure we don't continue with these mistakes.. ..but now, if we start to fast track development, which may very well be required, we all need to be o.k with the very real situation.. ..not one step back, 2 forward.. ..but a jog back a bit, and then move forward.. ..i think we need to be ready to 'wear losses'..

..we need to get games into the kids.. ..Watson, we need him to make it, but more importantly we need to know if he will or won't.. ..if he will, fast track him.. ..for a big lug that doesn't look AFL capable on the surface, he hasn't been dominated all game long, the odd contest in a game yeah sure, obviously.. ..but overall he hasn't had a forward get a hold of him and score big.. ..so if we're gonna be carrying players, yes by all rights have it be kids, and not under-done players that may be short lived.. ..Watson in particular is crucial to get a 'ruling' on, for how it effects Henderson's role in the team..

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For those with the inclination it's worth watching the Collingwood match on replay. With the passion of "who's going to win" removed it's easier to get a fairer perspective. We played pretty well. Biggest problem was lack of composure in the 4th - way too many kicks just thrown on the boot. This was across the team.

IMO we should keep almost the same team - give them a chance to grow and develop together. My only changes would be Scotland in, (not sure for who, Laidler looks underdone, but it probably comes down to matchups ).

McLean in, Bell sub -- just for rotation, rate both similarly at the moment.

.agree to a certain extent, but draft is important that you recruit the type you need, stick in the type and yer ok..

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In: Hampson, Scotland, Curnow, Buckley
Out: Casboult, Davies, McLean, Bootsma

Hampson is available and should come in for Casboult. Casboult lost at sea both games and Rowe showed more. Casboult and Hampson should not be in the same forwardline IMO. Rowe and Hampson will hopefully work well together. it would also be nice to see a forward on a strong lead in the forward 50 one day soon!!!!

Davies has to go and like Joseph shouldn't get another run in navy blue. He doesn't have it. He and Joseph buckle under pressure. Scotland will be a very welcome addition to our half back line

McLean appears back to his old ways and should never be the sub IMO. The sub should inject some run or something into the game. McLean is not this player. Looked very slow the week before. Time to give Curnow a go, and if he fails, then the better choice of them all, Ellard, should be ready to go.

Bootsma needs time in the two's. Will be a player but needs a spell and with Hendo, Jamo, Laidler (hopefully better for the run) and Scotland back there we should be good. Although White or Duigan are more obvious replacements, I'd love to see Buckley get a guernsey and show us what he's made of in a big game. Would be good with him and Jeffy running around in the forwardline. He'd prob be the sub anyway if he came in...

Lucky: Touhy and Armfield - Whilst I'm an Army fan you can always rely on him giving the opposition at least one goal. He handballed poorly straight to Harry-O and a goal resulted. About a minute before it happened I said to my Collingwood mate, "I bet Army gives a goal away soon..." Awful stuff. And Touhy needs to fire up a bit. Whilst I think Lucas will make it, he's been to the Bryce Gibbs "school of carrelling" and because he is not tenacious at the man, they slip his tackles so easily. He needs to toughen up and go at the man harder or Mick won't have him in there too much longer. Simmo and Carrots need a rocket.

There is still so much improvement that can come from these players and still some good ins to come, but with a new game plan it will take some time. We did very well to stay in touch with a quality pies side til the dying minutes. Unfortunately I think we'll be 0-5 and all will be relatively narrow losses, but if we are ruthless against the Dees and come home with a bang, you never know what could happen...

P.S. I cannot wait til Menzel is ready to debut!!!!

A lot of blame seems to be directed at the youngsters, Bootsma, Lucas, Casboult - I think more heat should be directed at Simmo, Laids, Carrots and Murph. These are the guys we need to play well. Expecting Bootsma to hold his ground and to do well is a big call. Maybe more support from our leaders will take some pressure of the youngsters.

Benji is chairman. Synbad and I are just his yes men.

Lachie's goal was fabulous.
It really looked like we ran out of legs, and they sipped some beneficial green tea.
Are they just fitter at this stage?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Please explain what McLean's new ways are.

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Stokes, Varcoe, Motlop, Christensen, Duncan



Bloody quick side...

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Yarran, Walker, Garlett & Armfield go alright too. Missing Betts for obvious reasons.

Agree


Carlton by 107 points

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i reckon that's slightly wishful thinking..... Carlton by 104 points is more realistic