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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:34 am 
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Have been a Watson critic in the past, but was pretty good tonight. Had a great first quarter, got lost in the shuffle when Hendo went back, and seemed to run out of petrol tickets midway through the third.

Pretty happy with the output.


He did do some nice defensive things. To cause a ball up when confronted with Stevie (Diver) J and Selwood at CHB in a loose ball situation in the 2nd quarter (I think) showed good determination.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:35 am 
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We will make the top 8 - Not all is lost. Scotland back in a few weeks. We will have Carrots and Murph back at the business end - Judd will enjoy the bye.

I don't think that losing to the reigning premiers by 2 goals when we had more scoring shots means that its all over. Players that we all called hacks - McLean, Collins & Watson all showed good composure and desire for most of the night. Bootsma will be a player. Gibbs back in some form. Garlett had a real crack.

The kick to the boundary is team policy - The belief is that if the forward misses the mark or turns over then at least there is a better chance to corrall an opponent and create the stoppage. With all guns firing we should be the best stoppage team in the caper. The low percentage kick is the bomb to the top of the square, it means that a turnover can be run straight back down the guts.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:39 am 
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The kick to the boundary is team policy - The belief is that if the forward misses the mark or turns over then at least there is a better chance to corrall an opponent and create the stoppage. With all guns firing we should be the best stoppage team in the caper. The low percentage kick is the bomb to the top of the square, it means that a turnover can be run straight back down the guts.

Shit policy if that's the case....means we have to kick miracle goals consistently....

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:39 am 
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We were sloppy by hand, by foot, in the mind and in the tackle ... and we are like that very often

we have smalls that are slow and can't kick

we have talls that can't mark


I think you are spot on there. If a tall player is glacially slow but marks everything in sight, you could cop it. The primary function of a tall player is to take contested marks.

And the primary function of a small player is to run, carry and deliver accurately.

And the primary function of a forward it to kick/create goals.

Sometimes we get so caught up in the bells and whistles of what players do. If they can't perform their primary function they are counter productive to the team.

That dropped mark by Hammer in the F50 is simply unforgivable. HOW DO YOU DROP THAT?!

And as was mentioned earlier, how does Kreuzer not know that play on has been called?

The basics cost us the game. Not the coaching or the effort (which I was impressed by).

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:18 am 
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Wish I knew, Juddy. Wouldn't mind watching the replay. Has me stumped.


mm, watched the 1st q. replay. you can't tell if he is sore or not.

The TV and commentary does not do Eddie's amazing goal justice. He was outstanding in that q.


how can people say our short players are slow?

Walks is down on confidence, but I have faith he will keep improving.

My only real beef tonite was with Hampson. If we had to trade a tall.......
Still, he is capable of playing very well.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:30 am 
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A pleasing return to some form after a month-long coma - you can't expect them to get it all right straight away, but tonight was a massive step in the right direction. Cobwebs definitely blown off. Disappointed with the loss but comforted by the fact that we lost the game, Geelong didn't win it. Yeah we didn't get the 4 points but given what we're up against I think we get a tick tonight. They set out to play bold footy, they set out to win clearances and play harder footy and that's what happened. There'll be hard taskmasters and whipcrackers out in force here as per usual but sooner or later you've gotta appreciate some improvement, and let's face it - the boys played 100x better than anything in the last 5+ weeks and with more heart than pretty much any game this season.

A true night out for the whipping boys of CFC. The redemption of Bryce Gibbs was great, did an excellent shutdown role on Stevie J. Makes you wonder if the contract stuff was playing more heavily on his mind than anyone considered. Could just be coincidental. To be fair though, he was given a job tonight, he focused and he won that battle. Excellent clutch goal - the last month would have seen him miss that, easy money, Seeing him shut down Goodes every time, it baffles me why he's not given a job every game - he seems to excel when he has a focal point. Brock McLean taking his chances again and dominating, I hope more supporters start seeing what he can bring to the team rather than his deficiencies - every player has them. He's showing what he can do and I think if this form continues we have a spot for him on our list. Watson is growing leaps and bounds every game, again I hope supporters start seeing his potential - some of his one-on-one work when the ball was in dispute was excellent. Collins with another solid game - getting his first CFC goal is a monkey off his back and he will grow in confidence from here with each game. Bootsma much better than last week, a great spoiler and not afraid to crack in. A little lost at times as you'd expect a kid to be but hard at it and tougher than his build would ever suggest.

Duigan a great return, probably the best game he's played all season with the exception of his 4th quarter as sub which can hardly be included. Backline looking much more settled with him back and Hendo floating. Once Laidler returns things will be vastly tighter. Jamo sadly out of sorts, definitely a shadow of last year - hoping it's just confidence in his body and that he'll turn that corner soon. Simmo pretty dominant, kicked a goal I was sure he'd miss any other game this year. Little guy's tough as nails, really looked like he was gonna carry us home in the last quarter which should be Judd's job. Judd definitely out of sorts. He's not the only elite midfielder that gets tagged or hassled...champions find a way into the game. Desperately need a 'Captain's Game' from him real soon, not elite at this stage. Armfield great and AJ solid despite a few errors, he did some great stuff too. Hammer in a horrible, horrible form slump after a promising start to the year. Kreuzer making up numbers, Walker weird, Garlett improved around the ground but needs to find his feet soon or get given a week off to practice in front of the sticks.

Umpiring was absolutely disgusting and I'm actually surprised we got given as many as we did. Stevie J is a dog and Hunt should go for standing on Eddie's hand, but we all know the only bigger joke than the umps in the AFL is the MRP.

2.9 in the last is incredibly wasteful but look on the bright side - we never shut up shop, 11 scoring shots in the last is encouraging. If it had been 11.0, 8.3, hell even 6.5 we'd have proclaimed ourselves as fourth quarter specialists. Gotta get the shots on goal to be in with some sort of chance and we did...but blew it. As I said earlier, we can't expect them to get everything right first week out of a coma.

Geelong are shit. Premiership team and not nearly enough injuries to justify getting out of jail due to us kicking 400 behinds. At least we ARE decimated by injuries and have been in a horror slump.

A four quarter game for the most part, no real fade outs. Hard contested footy, good spread, some good 1%ers, youngsters stepping up, vast improvements to some of our whipping boys and dimmed stars...it's only up from here you'd hope. More players returning, more games into our kids to build depth - there's a lot to like tonight.

But yes, we lost. I think given the circumstances, we had a few wins tonight also.

6 day break going to the West isn't ideal, but with West Coast coming off a loss and a bye and redemption for the finals loss last year burning in the team's memory, anything is possible if they build upon that performance and bring that form next week.

We're on a knife's edge, but we're not quite licked yet. Renewed faith after tonight, hope the hunger continues, it's all we can ask for fairly as supporters - get in, have a crack for 4 quarters, stay in it. We led for large chunks tonight also. If we keep sustained efforts like that up and improve our conversion rate, the wins will come.

Blues get a pass from me tonight, I can actually sleep tonight and will wake up without being in a violent rage.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:34 am 
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meh... better effort tonight but hurt by woeful conversion... a loss is a loss.

All that has to be taken into context as we did play a lackluster Geelong team that are a shadow of their greatness.

Simpson (un-tagged), McLean, Betts, Gibbs, Watson (surprised me), Bootsma, Touhy were good.

Hampson was poor again but more worrying, Judd is either no longer interested or is carrying an injury... been garbage for a while now.

Hit the post 5 times... :sly:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:57 am 
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Umpiring just about the worst I have seen this year and that's saying something.

interpretation changes on a weekly basis. its a !@#$%& joke!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:11 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:40 am 
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Pleased with the effort, but as usual, execution let us down. We just don't get value for money in terms of capitalising on the effort we put in. We are our own worst enemy.

But there is not a doubt in my mind that when both teams are at full-strength, Carlton are quite comfortably a better side than Geelong in 2012. Unfortunately, this may not ultimately be borne out due to what has been a horror run with injuries to key players, a fact which is distorting peoples' perceptions of our true level in the competition. Anyone who says that injuries are not an excuse (for any team, not just us) is kidding himself.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:55 am 
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No more pleased with the effort crap. We're supposed to be top 4 material. Teams like Melbourne at Gold Coast go on about being pleased with their efforts when they lose. LOSING SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED AT ALL, especially a game such as this that we ve only got ourselves to blame for not winning...

MEMO TO RATTS: Dont bother playing Judd in the forward line. His kicking goal conversion both on the run and from set shots, no matter how simple the kick is, is an absolute joke.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:06 am 
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Last nights effort did not change my views one bit
We lost and were outplayed for the last three quarters


Mediocrity folks
we are meant to be a top 4 side.
Three reasons we are where we are
1 Gibbs finally plays well. Yeah he tagged Steviej out of the game. You dont pick number ones to be taggers.
Isolate Gibb's own game. Did he do a lot. No. He should be the one tagged
Mediocrity case 1
2 Warnock.Yes he dominated the hitouts against fairly ordinary oppositon, but a number one ruckman needs to be presence around the ground. This he isnt. Infact some of his efforts in tackling and chasing were pathetic
Mediocrity case 2

3 Why would the coach spend the majority of 3 quarter time talking to his captain when its a team game even more so these days. Where is the talk on tactics, game plans. Ratten sits on the bench eating his jelly beans and snakes cheering and crying like an average supporter in the stands. Judd is the only hope. Read between the lines . Thats my take on it. Ratten has no control over this team . He just looks to his star player for the answer.
Mediocrity case 3
At last the players had a crack. They look like they were hurting. Or maye they realise the reality that the season is [REDACTED] and so is the coach.

Bottom line
All the little cases of mediocrity lead to one big @#$%&! up.

Happy with Bootsma and Watson.
Got me interested
So play Kerr, Buckley Dale
Watson looks a better player at senior level. Other blokes could as well.

Get something out of a season that is gone

And start looking for a new coach who wont accept mediocrity


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:28 am 
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Seriously unucky not to win it and without Judd who was very disappointing and really needed him to stand up and play a blinder.
Too many players in current make up go missing when heat is on and fail to lay the tackles and dig in. Jospeh and McLean I am looking at you.
Don't care about stats it's how they respond when the heat is on. They should take notes from Simmo and Gibbs who were excellent.
Bootsma needs a rest maybe sub next week
It's hurting that we have Waite, Casboult, Mitchell, Thornton and Rowe unavailable.
Henderson should have done better.

Sooooo.. youe looking at Henderson to be as good as Waite Casboult Mitchell T Bird and Rowe???

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:37 am 
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thought the move of yarran as sub at the start of the game cost us a little as we were really quite dominant for most of that 1st qtr but lacked some class and composure in a few passages. someone like yarran could of made the difference and put as the 4-5 goals up we deserved to be. a mate and i thought perhaps we were desperate and played him injured but that all changed when we watched him do a mini training session from the livewire bar after the game. looked to be running freely and at normal yarran speed! upsetting really.

Warnock coming off cost us..... best ruckman on the ground... !!.. wasnt too hard considering who he was up against.. but the was the most dominant man on the ground i thought.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:56 am 
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There will be a pasting in western Australia next week on current form

But as i say it doesn't matter. Just keep playing to structures and the development of the next tier.

Tuohy given a job on chapman I liked
Some of the inexperienced can really play

Don't get too upset when this season results in nothing and maybe even no finals.

It should all be about preparing for the year of years in 2013 with a new level of depth and hunger in the event of injury.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:59 am 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
teknodeejay wrote:
Doesn't matter. It's about games into kids.
The result is inconsequential.


Whilst that is sarcastic it IS one of the positives. Every game that Tuohy, Watson (great effort last two weeks) and Bootsma play is worth its weight in gold.

Before the season I didn't expect to win it. We are not going to now. It's important that no matter where we finish this year, we don't waste it. Fringe players are getting chances (and many are blowing it) but this WILL improve our depth long term. Think Geelong 2006 - it can turn quickly. We are still the 4th or 5th youngest team. Our best 22 is as good as anyones. If we bring tonight's effort every night I will be happy. Its when we don't that I (and everyone else) gets filthy.


Alas, I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

I have accepted this as the current need.

I was hoping it would be prelims and grand finals this year. Now with that out of the equation it's about plan B... Develop, reload, take it next year.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:07 am 
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j.scarponi wrote:
Seriously unucky not to win it and without Judd who was very disappointing and really needed him to stand up and play a blinder.
Too many players in current make up go missing when heat is on and fail to lay the tackles and dig in. Jospeh and McLean I am looking at you.
Don't care about stats it's how they respond when the heat is on. They should take notes from Simmo and Gibbs who were excellent.
Bootsma needs a rest maybe sub next week
It's hurting that we have Waite, Casboult, Mitchell, Thornton and Rowe unavailable.
Henderson should have done better.

Sooooo.. youe looking at Henderson to be as good as Waite Casboult Mitchell T Bird and Rowe???


Unfortunately Hendo dropped too many contested marks he usually gobbles up in the backine. Not blaming him, he probably needs 2-3 games to get back into the rythm. Should have done better with some efforts.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:12 am 
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But Casboult/Mitchell/ Rowe /Waite etc would have been the difference???
Cos they tear it up in the AFL.

Scarpone one is who they is....

There is no wayne carey... there is no buddy franklin... so whoever is up there is what you are... and you just stick to the structures.. provide a contest and have always someone in the hot spot as an option.

Thats all.. there will be days when it clicks and days when it doesnt.. but if you stick to this.. and they contest...youll reap rewards.
If you continue to kick it to Eddie....and go to the boundaries... its hard work..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:14 am 
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I think you missed the point completely when we play rucks in the forward line instead of key forwards.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:21 am 
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I think you missed the point completely when we play rucks in the forward line instead of key forwards.

So who is a key forward??? Waite???....T Bird.....???..... Rowe????.....Casboult????

Its nice to dream... but you still must wake up anyway...


So i think YOURE missing the point....!!!

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