look!

we went to Perth for a finals game against eagles last year.
Irish and Thornton tall up forward!
one ruck!
Thornton injured early?

they had cox Nick Nat in the ruck
then they had Lynch darling and Kennedy.

they won by less than a goal and that was because they smashed us in the clearances second quarter.

fast forward to this year.

we are being smashed in the clearances and the talls are not inflicting the major damage.

hardly any tall is killing it this year for any side!

its all about the midfield.

furthermore we should never have dropped Irish!

he brought enthusiasm to the team.

too many colourless personalities now.

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You can add Garlett & Betts, and add Steve Johnson, Monfries and Porplyzia too, or remove Rioli from the list, but it doesn't change the fact that all those teams listed above have 2 quality tall forwards each, and we do not..

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I agree completely, cecil.

Adding Rioli whilst removing Betts and Garlett, hell, even Walker who finished top 5 in the Coleman last year just to suit the argument is silly, given that everyone tends to agree we need another tall marking option up forward.

Having said that, if they play Watson up there ahead of Thornton this week and he puts in a shocker, I'm sure the pitchforks will be diverted elsewhere.

I'm also surprised that Luke Mitchell's appearance in the VFL 2's hasn't put him up for selection..

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He brought contested marking to the team as well - was our most prolific contested mark player in the last half of the season.

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that's total rubbish!

you are expecting pods or roughy to be a gun in our forward line ?

funny!

Walker was crap last year because their team was crap!

tippet did not tear us a new one yesterday!

buddy is just buddy! superstar!

truth is unless we gain control where the ball is being played we are shot!

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Some people endeavour to post some thoughts that may be of interest to others; whilst others choose to nitpick those thoughts and criticise; without creating any items themselves.

As Dirty Harry Callahan so drily put it....''Opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one''

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Just finished the Carlton v Adelaide Match Review thread - most of which should have been here I must admit. I don't think it is only the coach or only the players. However, I have lost almost any confidence in our coach taking us to the top now. Absolutely loved him as a player and was happy with having him as stop-gap solution/bring Carlton back to Carlton. As I said previously, do not like the idea of losing him... However, we do not seem to develop our players as well as other teams. We do not seem to have flexible gameplans that work or can be identified. I can't honestly say that he has done as well as Malthouse would have in developing our boys or instilling a game plan, will to carry it out or in getting the best out of our players. And I can't see that changing this year. Wish I could - dearly wish I could. If I do that mental exercise of coach swapping for the last few years and Worsfold or Malthouse was here - do I think we would have done better, worse or not at all differently. I know what I came up with.

In that case, I think we need to look at what we do from here as time is slipping away. West Coast isn't waiting around. Not particularly interested in doing so here.

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I would like to thank Collingwood for helping me keep faith in my old man. He always told me that 'People are thick'.

While i would love to have another gun KP FWD, the lack of one wasn't the reason we lost yesterday, sadly it is largely a midfield issue, which has always been thought of as one of our biggest strengths.

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Oh that's refreshing to know. I added my thoughts earlier. The irony though is that your only contribution to this thread has been to "nitpick those thoughts and criticise (sp); without creating any items themselves."

Good work.

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I looked hard at that option and didn't quite have the belief that we'd make it this year.

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Yes....you definitely have a very familiar posting style.....not refreshing to know.

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Quality trolling. Just to confirm, you had a go at me, in a thread you had nothing to do with previously, put up some big rant about contributing ideas and not just shitting on others, then when its pointed out that you've done just that, rather than actually contribute with your own opinions on KP forwards, you instead make some veiled accusation?

That's cute.

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Getting back on Topic; I think a list; short or otherwise of potential Coaches is premature; given most of the exposed talent are already employed elsewhere.

Someone mentioned SOS, who of course is the List Manager for GWS; and is an unknown quantity anyway as far as Coaching ability is concerned.....and do we continue to look within in an emergency as we did when Ratts was installed in a stopgap situation with 6 rounds to play in 2007?

Alan Richardson sure has heaps of experience, with 3 years at the Bulldogs as an Asst.Coach; and 5 years with Gavin Brown at Collingwood in Player Development under Mick Malthouse.

Richardson set up the Collingwood Football Academy; where Marty Clarke..Travis Cloke..Scott Pendlebury..Dale Thomas..Nathan Brown..Chris Dawes..Sharrod Wellingham; and Tyson Goldsack were further developed.

Has he been able to continue this specialist work at Carlton?

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Rhino let it go. Go have a Carlton Draught

The online equivalent of breaking up a fight an hour after it occurs? :S

Anyway - Cyril Rioli = a key forward or not?

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Whilst our winning and losing depends on the the goal scoring ability of the indigenous boys on the list it won't matter who coaches them we will be up and down like yoyo's

At the moment if the goals column doesnt read Betts 4 Walker 3 Garlett 3 and Yarran 1 we lose

These boys should be the icing on the cake not the be all and end all

who ever it is that coaches them need to develop a forward structure that is consistant every week not one that are world beaters one week and chumps the next

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Warming up for McKennas job.

Thought he did OK with St Kilda as an assistant under Lyon. He was their defensive coach I think and at the time, particularly under the Lyon gameplan they were a solid defensive unit. Not sure he is an unknown quantity. Not sure he is a good Knee Jerk reaction replacement either but he isnt an unknown quantity, he has been working his apprenticeship in the coaching ranks.

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Just so long as an independent committee of some standing have overseen a sufficient number of applications, interviewed as many times as possible, and followed due process.

If that person turns out to be Barb, I couldn't care less. At the very least, it's something new to whinge about, rather than the usual appointment by mate.

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Boys and girls, relax a little please. Rhino had a fair point to make, and Goltz should specify that he's referring to difference makers rather than just KPF if he's going to do that. By that measure you should include Betts and Walker. Remember that Walker came straight into the side having played zero matches through the pre-season until now, so if anyone's disappointed with his form they've got rocks in their head.

This whole thread is quite crap to be honest, as you can see the coach is clearly being frustrated by the output as much as anyone else, and was taking quarters in the box to ensure he wasn't just imaging the poor play. Adjustments are already being made (ie. the references to tinkering, which is an accurate description of what needs to be done). There's no need for some dramatic "Plan B" as there are already 3 or 4 variations on how we move the ball, merely the way the team transitions needs to be tinkered, and perhaps the direction and spread of variation of F50 entries needs a change.

The rest is just the players playing head games, but I'm very pleased to say Lachie Henderson is no longer on that list, so something's being done right.

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