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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:19 am 
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club29 wrote:
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I have posted my thoughts on our 'method' going into forward 50 previously (bomb and hope), and I saw nothing different last night again, albeit in a difficult game. I still believe that that approach will struggle against the best teams, the better organised defences and the pressure of finals.



In finals you would think the long bomb in is the way to go. Get it in deep and make a contest. Set the press up behind the ball and force a repeat 50 if we dont score on the first bomb. The repeat 50 should get us some lose options. That would stand up in finals you would think because of the pressure that will be on the kicker going forward. Saw Scotland go a bit shallow to a lead inside 50 in the last and the spoil then rebounded quickly to their 50.

I guess our tactics with the press have a bit to do with the scores from inside 50 % that BV wrote about. We get our press going and have plenty of repeat 50's getting our inside 50 numbers up. If it gets over the back we are open so teams get more bang for their buck going inside 50.
As long as the game is played in our half i am happy. We have the talent and tactics to score more than the oppostion score out the back.

Freo tried what the bombers were doing and just getting it inside a vacant 50 for them to run onto but Ratts and co selected a faster backline and adjusted our structure slighlty so we had most of them attempts covered.

Not sure about all the misses costing them. The ball goes back to the middle after a goals. Unless we lose a game by bad kicking :razz:


Our record last year against the top 4 teams, and especially out lack of scoring (with the exception of the Geelong game), showed that the tactic didn't work. Good defences, well-organised defences, know when to peel off, know how to use the spare man, and are better at covering Betts and Garlett. The Essendon* game was a classic example - 10 fewer scoring shots, but 5 more inside 50s. Not getting value for money. I agree that there are times when you bomb, but we should be trying to kick to a player on the lead 3-4 times a quarter, to break up the patterns (we are very predictable, and Hird knew this), but also to have some 'easy' scoring opportunities. At the moment, we are relying on sheer brilliance, nothing more. Add some system to sheer brilliance, and variation in strategy, and we become much harder to beat.

As for the ball going back to the centre after a goal...indeed it does. Unfortunately, we got comfortably beaten in clearances last night :donk:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:25 am 
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Last night was an awful game to watch and my own team was playing!

Stupid Ross Lyon football.

I think if we'd beaten the Bummers we'd have lost last night.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:36 am 
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Freo won the clearances convincingly without Sandilands. With him, last week they had less clearances than the opposition. Does that say anything about his effectiveness?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:05 am 
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Rapt with the win but our accuracy has wallpapered over some serious issues for the coaches to address.
For the second consecutive week, we only scored from about 30% of our forward 50 entries while conceding more than 50% at the other end.
It shows we're not dealing with the opposition putting players defensive side of the ball and what's more, we're getting far less value out of our loose player. Yes Gibbs has been very good but winning games of footy is about kicking more goals than the opposition. Let's be realistic. Had Freo not kicked so poorly in front of goal, we would be lamenting another poor result.

I'm not trying to put a downer on the win. Any win in Perth is worth celebrating but the stats over the past 2 weeks tell us that teams have put a plan in place to stifle us and we're not dealing with it. We have some tactical and structural issues to deal with and at the moment, I'm not seeing any methodology in place to attempt to rectify it.


Thanks BV you saved me typing it.
Good win, but the exact same result as last week.
More inside 50's to us, extremely inefficient ones, the opposition get more scoring shots from less. Plus beaten in the middle again.
Fremantle played the game exactly like the bombers, and had more scoring shots.
Serious tactical issues need to be addressed.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:16 am 
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Losing the clearances for a second week running shows how important Carrazzo has become.
I'd like to see Elllard in next week to help fill the void. He was BOG last week in a big win, hopefully he has another good one this weekend.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:49 am 
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Siegfried wrote:

Our record last year against the top 4 teams, and especially out lack of scoring (with the exception of the Geelong game), showed that the tactic didn't work. Good defences, well-organised defences, know when to peel off, know how to use the spare man, and are better at covering Betts and Garlett. The Essendon* game was a classic example - 10 fewer scoring shots, but 5 more inside 50s. Not getting value for money. I agree that there are times when you bomb, but we should be trying to kick to a player on the lead 3-4 times a quarter, to break up the patterns (we are very predictable, and Hird knew this), but also to have some 'easy' scoring opportunities. At the moment, we are relying on sheer brilliance, nothing more. Add some system to sheer brilliance, and variation in strategy, and we become much harder to beat.

As for the ball going back to the centre after a goal...indeed it does. Unfortunately, we got comfortably beaten in clearances last night :donk:


Good points Sieg but i dont think that is how the bombers beat us. It wasnt until we got a bit of run in our game and got the ball in long and deep that we started to look good against them. They had us going real shallow in the second and manage to rebound easy because we couldnt get a decent press organised.

All the good teams go long to the tallest target. We are always going to get more inside fifties with our press does allow easy scoring ops out the back off less attempts. I guess our chiefs feel we will score more from our press than what we allow out the back.
I agree we should mix it up and take a shorter option at times and i see we do. Last night probably not a good example as Lyons tactics of flooding dont really allow for passing to leads.

IMO we have to play the % if we have a bad % of being rebounded against going to a lead against scoring from going to a lead and a good one from going deep (not necessarily on the first kick in but also on a repeat 50 or a goal from stoppage) then we have to take the later option if nothing obvious presents itself.

If freo had of got one of the goals in the second we may have got a favourable bounce in the centre that followed and got one back straight out of the middle that fired us up and Hill may have done a hammy chasing Judd. :razz:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:06 pm 
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Strange game... thought we were the better team on the night especially when we controlled the game, yet they had more scoring shots... go figure

Just goes to show that we still struggle in the defensive half against this particular game plan... makes winning the clearances imperative

Judd well held but a good spread of contributors across the team... liked Hendo, Simmo second half... Zach was poor tonight

Anyways, got a while to go but it's 4 points at Subi and I'll take that any day of the week.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:08 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Siegfried wrote:

Our record last year against the top 4 teams, and especially out lack of scoring (with the exception of the Geelong game), showed that the tactic didn't work. Good defences, well-organised defences, know when to peel off, know how to use the spare man, and are better at covering Betts and Garlett. The Essendon* game was a classic example - 10 fewer scoring shots, but 5 more inside 50s. Not getting value for money. I agree that there are times when you bomb, but we should be trying to kick to a player on the lead 3-4 times a quarter, to break up the patterns (we are very predictable, and Hird knew this), but also to have some 'easy' scoring opportunities. At the moment, we are relying on sheer brilliance, nothing more. Add some system to sheer brilliance, and variation in strategy, and we become much harder to beat.

As for the ball going back to the centre after a goal...indeed it does. Unfortunately, we got comfortably beaten in clearances last night :donk:


Good points Sieg but i dont think that is how the bombers beat us. It wasnt until we got a bit of run in our game and got the ball in long and deep that we started to look good against them. They had us going real shallow in the second and manage to rebound easy because we couldnt get a decent press organised.

All the good teams go long to the tallest target. We are always going to get more inside fifties with our press does allow easy scoring ops out the back off less attempts. I guess our chiefs feel we will score more from our press than what we allow out the back.
I agree we should mix it up and take a shorter option at times and i see we do. Last night probably not a good example as Lyons tactics of flooding dont really allow for passing to leads.

IMO we have to play the % if we have a bad % of being rebounded against going to a lead against scoring from going to a lead and a good one from going deep (not necessarily on the first kick in but also on a repeat 50 or a goal from stoppage) then we have to take the later option if nothing obvious presents itself.

If freo had of got one of the goals in the second we may have got a favourable bounce in the centre that followed and got one back straight out of the middle that fired us up and Hill may have done a hammy chasing Judd. :razz:


In the last quarter it appeared we lost the ability to get the one extra pressure relieving handball out the back, which we used to such great effect against the Pies. Was it just the pressure or the loss of Carrots as a link in the chainthat caused the quick kick from trouble that invariably ended up in the hands of the Purple people.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:22 pm 
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Personally Cimm i reckon we were just stuffed. Ran out of puff. Used up our tickets in the 3rd on a hot night on the road.

We didnt have the run to play the way we were designed to play on the night.

We held on fortunately. The 4pts is ours and now we can focus on the next 5 game block and hopefully methodically get the job done.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:24 pm 
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As per usual, some posters are late withdrawals from the post game threads when we win.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:36 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Personally Cimm i reckon we were just stuffed. Ran out of puff. Used up our tickets in the 3rd on a hot night on the road.

We didnt have the run to play the way we were designed to play on the night.

We held on fortunately. The 4pts is ours and now we can focus on the next 5 game block and hopefully methodically get the job done.



Quite probably. And you are right about the heat, it was as sticky as buggery and not a breath of air. We were up behind the goals in the second tier and it was sweat city up there.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:52 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Rapt with the win but our accuracy has wallpapered over some serious issues for the coaches to address.
For the second consecutive week, we only scored from about 30% of our forward 50 entries while conceding more than 50% at the other end.
It shows we're not dealing with the opposition putting players defensive side of the ball and what's more, we're getting far less value out of our loose player. Yes Gibbs has been very good but winning games of footy is about kicking more goals than the opposition. Let's be realistic. Had Freo not kicked so poorly in front of goal, we would be lamenting another poor result.

I'm not trying to put a downer on the win. Any win in Perth is worth celebrating but the stats over the past 2 weeks tell us that teams have put a plan in place to stifle us and we're not dealing with it. We have some tactical and structural issues to deal with and at the moment, I'm not seeing any methodology in place to attempt to rectify it.


What is the solution without two genuine tall forwards?

A lot of the time we don't even give our crumbers a chance. On numerous occasions last night Waite was simply outmarked. He needs to at least bring the ball to ground. McPharlin is an excellent key defender but we needed a better contest.

We still don't appear to have enough players with the smarts to work the ball forward when the opposition put players into defence. We had Armfield kick it straight to the loose man. Garlett play on and inexplicably boomerang the ball on his left straight to a Fremantle player. There has to be some system about it.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:59 pm 
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Also how the flower did walks not get paid holding the ball in the pocket. The guy took about 6 steps looking up field, tackled to the ground and dropped it on the way down. Looked like footage I would use as an example to explain the holding the ball rule to someone.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:04 pm 
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I went to bed thinking Carlton had won last night. Must have been a dream only.

Geelong would have happily taken a 8 point win at Pattersons. They happily took a 10 point home win against Richmond.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:18 pm 
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Perhaps some are underestimating the win last night. I for one am rapt.

That being said, I left the ground thinking we need to work on our stoppages/clearances and f50 entries.

Freo will claim they were unlucky but being at the game it felt we were in control for large portions. Could of put it beyond doubt late 3rd or early 4th qtr with some better use going inside f50.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:43 pm 
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I agree MPH great win - not too many sides will achieve a win in Perth this year against freo- geelomg couldnt do it - we were jumped at the start of first quarter and came back - sure as BV says we need work in certain areas but good teams get the job done and thats exactly what we did - end result flattered Freo - in that by half way in fourth quarter with one day less rest we were flagging in 26 degree heat - freo kicked badly for goal but lets face it that was one of the things that cost us last week
Good performance again from our bottom 6 duigan joseph armfield curnow russell thorton - good performance given laidler carrazzo and yazz didnt play

8 point win in perth after getting beaten by esendon the week before you would take it every time

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:53 pm 
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Battling win against middling but willing oppo. Always good to get a win in Perth, but might have been a different story had they kicked better in the second. Maybe there is not a lot between about 8 teams and winning the close ones will be really crucial. Good to win with Judd down. Dynamic return for Walks, how did anyone consider trading him and why did Adelaide choose to trade for Tambling before Walker - lucky for us.

Hammo was better, took some marks, contested well. Hendo our best defender (and possible future captain)
Duigan struggling. We will really miss Carrazzo and Laidler. Easy game next week to tune up.

More determined effort from the Blues, but we need that effort every week. There's not a lot between a number of teams so taking chances, luck and consistent effort every minute of every game will be crucial. We should be aiming for a grand final, and so we need to be hard markers and not excuse poor efforts like last week because we won this week.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:54 pm 
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Awesome win. Good to win ugly sometimes. Not sure the so called experts are giving us enough credit. Mentioning sandilands being out, what about our outs? As for fremantles pints, what about some of the pressure we put on them quickly pinging for goal.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:29 pm 
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Simmo got 7's Man Of The Match? What does a guy like Hendo have to do to win it? Simmo's first half was horrible, especially by his standards.

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