It wasn't only the Hawks game. It was the North game, the Swans game, the Dogs game and if you really want go further back it was the Essendon* game earlier in the season.

The title here says 'Post Match Venting' so here goes....

I am going to try and stay as composed as possible because simply ranting and raving about how pathetic we were wont solve anything. Yes we were given a bath by the Pies and to be honest we have just not been anywhere near good enough for the last 6 weeks.

What has gone wrong? Not sure anything in particular has. I think 2010 was always going to be a struggle for us. Hate to bring it up again but fact is that without Fev we were always going to struggle. The 'boof head' had to go but without a suitable replacement we simply were not going to be competitive enough.

Sure we wanted to prove to the doubters that we could kick a winning score without Fev and guys like Setanta and Betts stepped up early - but they were never going to be able to keep it up for too long. Hendo will be ok but at 20 years of age he is still maturing. Hammer is learning the game, Yaz and Garlett need time (but they are not key forwards) and Fish and Wiggins are both GONE!

Like I said earlier I'm not upset to see the Fev go. What I am upset about is that a suitable replacement was not found. Nor have we really attempted to find an 'apprentice' to Fev over the last 3 or 4 years. Not good enough...

Murphy and Gibbs, both no. 1's and both can play good footy. But they just seem off at the moment. Not hard enough at the ball and most importantly not playing like 'leaders' of the club. That's the big difference. They are entitled to play a bad one every so often and have their colors lowered, but as leaders of our club what they are expected to do is fly the flag!! Too often they dont, they drop their heads and play like 'it's just too hard'! Not good enough...

Ratts and the assistants have been allowed to go for too long with just the one game plan. They are too re-active rather than pro-active. After Plan A there doesnt seem to be much more. After the Pagan debacle I understand we felt the need to replace him with 'one of our own' but it simply has not worked. Whether Ratts sees out 2010 or 2011 I dont know - but what i do know is that if we are fair dinkum then the buck stops with Ratts. If he is good enough to turn it around then show us what you got Brett! If not.....time to go. Not good enough...

No wonder Ratts says he was 'embarrased' by our efforts. We were super SOFT. Ratts may not be the best coach going around but as a player he was hard and uncompromising. His side is anything but. They were exposed as a super soft side yesterday and it was so obvious that other teams will expose it also.

Is our list as bad as what it showed yesterday? Don't think so. It's unfortunate but to me the only conclusion I come up with is that Ratts has lost the playing group. Whether he is up to coaching at senior level or not is not the question. Mark Williams can coach but Port moved him on because he had lost the players. Ratts has lost the players. They are not playing for him, they are not responding to his tactics and they dont seem to agree with his game plan.

It's shame it has come to this but its now obvious to me that time for change has come. Our list is better than what it showed.

Sorry Ratts - but your time is up.

Here's an open question for everyone: Do you think we'd have faired better or worse if we'd kept Fevola?

Now, before you answer, it's a simple question. I want none of that sarcasm or BS that reduces this site to the level of dross it currently is. All it is is a question asking whether or not Brendan Fevola would have made us a better or worse team than we currently are this year. Don't weigh in with any peripheral nonsense, just answer the question.

Some of the stuff being said here is as embarrassing and pathetic as the performance yesterday.

Gibbs worst number one pick of all time? Uh-huh, that's why he looked like one of the only guys out there trying yesterday.

Our drafting/trading? Yeah, we traded for McLean. And he's not worked out as yet. Where's Jordan Gysberts (the reason he touches the ball so often is because Melbourne, like Collingwood, Geelong et al over possess the ball) at right now? Injured like Brock and not playing. Warnock, well, I thought he pantsed Jolly in the ruck yesterday. Our only clear winner on the day. His efforts were supreme he looks like a good pick-up.

Murphy, amongst others, is gutless? This is one of the things I hate most about local footy playing/watching bogans appraising AFL and the character/hardness of its players. Without remembering specific incidents of Murphy "squibbing" yesterday, the one he was lambasted for last week (against Beau Waters) was pretty absurd. Waters got to the ball first. The last thing we need is Murphy cannoning into him without a second thought getting KO'd and/or injured. That stuff is overrated; running headlong into someone. Armfield had it done to him and he's lucky to still be able to play. That clash could have ended his career. It's not about being gutless, its about being circumspect. The last thing we need is Marc Murphy having a disc fragment into his spine.

There's a reason this site is disappearing/becoming utter shite, and it's because of the posters who talk complete and utter nonsense all the time.

I'm sick and tired of the prose served up by so many do-gooders or I-know-betters on this site. Truly pathetic.

Here's an open question for everyone: Do you think we'd have faired better or worse if we'd kept Fevola?

Now, before you answer, it's a simple question. I want none of that sarcasm or BS that reduces this site to the level of dross it currently is. All it is is a question asking whether or not Brendan Fevola would have made us a better or worse team than we currently are this year. Don't weigh in with any peripheral nonsense, just answer the question.

We gave up pick 12 for Brock and they got Ball at pick..............

Looking forward to the next few weeks without Judd...

I think the re-signing of Betts was another terrible ploy by a Match Committee and football department prone to severe errors in judgement. Betts was one player we could have received value for later in the year- be it by way of picks or players. His year has been grossly inflated by goals kicked in dead time of matches, and this misinterpretaiton of his 'value' might have got us an overinflated deal by another club. He doesn't keep himself in the best physical condition between matches and in the off season, and the fact he sees himself as 'undroppable' is a key reason for his incredibly poor performances since about Round 8.

There are some serious questions to be asked of the whole football club in the coming weeks- and I hope against hope they are asked in the proper fashion, and not half- heartedly assessed like so many other important decisions this club has made in recent times.

We don't need good draft picks.
We just need to draft hard,tough, FOOTBALLERS!

hilarious - comes in bagging everyone else for talking crap and then randomly brings up fevola !?!?!

wtf - who was talking about fevola? who gives a shit about fevola?

this is about the 22 pansies that strolled about for carlton yesterday and the incompetence in the coaching box - not an overweight gimp with an over masturbated groin who cant play the game anymore but is being looked after the best he ever has been by a club who is quite possibly worse than ours

Yep.

Some of the stuff being said here is as embarrassing and pathetic as the performance yesterday.

Gibbs worst number one pick of all time? Uh-huh, that's why he looked like one of the only guys out there trying yesterday.

Our drafting/trading? Yeah, we traded for McLean. And he's not worked out as yet. Where's Jordan Gysberts (the reason he touches the ball so often is because Melbourne, like Collingwood, Geelong et al over possess the ball) at right now? Injured like Brock and not playing. Warnock, well, I thought he pantsed Jolly in the ruck yesterday. Our only clear winner on the day. His efforts were supreme he looks like a good pick-up.

Murphy, amongst others, is gutless? This is one of the things I hate most about local footy playing/watching bogans appraising AFL and the character/hardness of its players. Without remembering specific incidents of Murphy "squibbing" yesterday, the one he was lambasted for last week (against Beau Waters) was pretty absurd. Waters got to the ball first. The last thing we need is Murphy cannoning into him without a second thought getting KO'd and/or injured. That stuff is overrated; running headlong into someone. Armfield had it done to him and he's lucky to still be able to play. That clash could have ended his career. It's not about being gutless, its about being circumspect. The last thing we need is Marc Murphy having a disc fragment into his spine.

There's a reason this site is disappearing/becoming utter shite, and it's because of the posters who talk complete and utter nonsense all the time.

I'm sick and tired of the prose served up by so many do-gooders or I-know-betters on this site. Truly pathetic.

Here's an open question for everyone: Do you think we'd have faired better or worse if we'd kept Fevola?

Now, before you answer, it's a simple question. I want none of that sarcasm or BS that reduces this site to the level of dross it currently is. All it is is a question asking whether or not Brendan Fevola would have made us a better or worse team than we currently are this year. Don't weigh in with any peripheral nonsense, just answer the question.

I thought that if we didnt sign him he could go to GC for next to nothing. By signing him we can still trade him. Is that correct????

I dont think we should trade him though.

Does he see himself as undroppable??

I reckon Hughes has given the club decent material to work with. It's up to the coaches to nurture and develop it though.

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hilarious - comes in bagging everyone else for talking crap and then randomly brings up fevola !?!?!

wtf - who was talking about fevola? who gives a shit about fevola?

this is about the 22 pansies that strolled about for carlton yesterday and the incompetence in the coaching box - not an overweight gimp with an over masturbated groin who cant play the game anymore but is being looked after the best he ever has been by a club who is quite possibly worse than ours