..i guess in those days, players had more defined roles.. ..now we have a few KPP's, and a buncha midfielders and wannabe mids chasing the ball from one end to another highschool footy style.. ..sure, some youngsters come in and are as hard as nails straight up, but i reckon some kids need a season or two to get beyond the simple human instinct of self-preservation, especially if they're slight and surrounded by much bigger/heavier players..

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There isn't one anti hughes post on here that systamatically goes through each pick, which would reveal that he has barely picked a player who wasn't reasonable. You can argue yarran rich all you like (and this was unlikely a WH call) but over 30 or so picks where are the mistakes and there are a heap of good gets? Our coaching is far more of an issue than recruiting.

Gee, unsubstantiated and baseless rumour in one of your posts to push your agenda.
What a huge surprise.

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Really?
So who did?
I am all ears.

Just changing your questions a bit to make them relevant to the person whom this topic is about (Wayne Hughes)


i know where he came (not the best club in terms of football development but the worst..)

.. but did he head up their development (change to recruitment) dept? Nah! Didn't even get close
Did the eagles (freo) fight tooth and nail to keep him?? No chance!
Did they say whatever Carlton is oppering you we will double... youre so good we cant afford to lose you..? No chance (and it wouldn't have been much he was an appointment of the cash strapped Smorgon board)

What actual role did he have at WC (freo)... exactly? (Head of Vic recruiting was the highest he got, so stuff like being involved in assessing judd ball and hodge vs croad in 2001)...

The word credentials and nothing tied with it means nothing... (but what credentials?)

Im just interested... (He was at St Kilda before.. before they got their draft picks..)

I know Icke came from Freo.. and he headed up their footy dept.. and was very good with contracts.., (likr that should be a problem at Freo..." (recruiting was a problem though)

"Yes?"... you want more next year?????",.... "get the !@#$%& out of here !!!" (I agree)

Well? Your thoughts?

Just had a look at the last few drafts again and it is amazing how random the draft can be in hindsight. You see some players that were taken low and have gone on to become really solid footballers (Chris Knights #56, Daniel Pratt #74, 2004) and obviously there are the highly touted flops as well (Oakley-Nicholls #8, 2005, Tim Walsh #4, 2002). You can see 10 shit footballers taken in succession followed by a gun. It's not an exact science and players' determination to succeed, injuries, good development programs and happiness in life in general can all have an effect.

At this stage it is nice to see that the Hawks, who everyone has talked up so much for their recruitment and list management, would appear to have made a couple of crucial stuff ups by not selecting Ryder and Selwood (Dowler and Thorpe) as well as Hamish McIntosh (#10 2002) instead of Luke Brennan (#9).

One thing that is clear is that the 2006 draft is clearly a much stronger pool than the previous 6 years so we definitely made the right decision in trying to load up with 6 picks in that draft. Just a shame that Benjamin turned out to be a dud. Would've been nice to have selected Robbie Gray or Jesse White with the benefit of hindsight but alas it was not to be.

Overall I'm very happy with the Wayne Hughes regime. I can see why he has selected each of the players that he has and there are more hits than misses so far.

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finally someone has started this post, Wayne Hughes is a DUD and I don't care what anyone says.
GET RID OF HIM QUICKLY SO WE CAN PUSH FOR A FLAG. The next couple of drafts are crucial so we can't afford anymore F__K UPS.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

how about we try Hampson vs Tippet. both QLD boys one went at pick 17 & one at pick 32 in the 2006 draft. Do we apply the "upside" theory here?

Shaun Hampson MT GRAVATT Carlton 21/03/1988 200.8 93.1
Kurt Tippett SOUTHPORT Adelaide 8/05/1987 200.6 95.9

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Guys this group will make the GF around 2011/2012 save this post put money on it whatever you want. IT WILL HAPPEN, if for what ever reason they dont then all you pessimists deserve a pat on the back and congratulations for being right about Hughes hope this makes you feel better.

Pretty much a full year different. Funnily enough, Hawthorn took Renouf in between that pair. Now he has a premiership and good luck to him, but i'd put my left nut on the line that he'll be the worst of the lot.

Meant to be unbelievable is the Mr Felchen

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Our pick no 9 from 2004 draft has arrived as an AFL player.
Next to arrive will be our pick no 25 from 2004 draft

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No, we were supposed to draft Jetta and Proud.

I hate people who use hindsight to point out players we should have picked.

Why didn't Adelaide pick Tippett instead of Sellar if it's such an easy job?

Sellar moves OK for a big bloke, but might be neither fish nor fowl.

Though I haven't see enough of Sellar to comment.

You can use that rationale all you like, but Hampson is hardly a dud pick. Remember how badly we needed a Ruckman?. If we didn't have Hampson this year who would have rucked?

Does anyone know what years Hughes was in charge at the Dockers?

Would be interesting to see how he performed at the Dockers.

In hindsight EVERY club has made errors in the draft however I think a recruiter in todays day and age should at least make a good selection with a top 10 draft pick baring injury.

And just on Grigg, the crows rated him very highly and would have considered him before Tippet if he was available. Preseason Grigg was in very good form however struggled after his early season injury. I look forward to Grigg taking the next step in 2010.

Agree Blue 4 ever -Grigg was our best player in the pre-season but never recovered from the injury that made him miss the first few games - I HE AND HAMPSON ARE BOTH REALLY PROMISING - IN A WAY COST US WITH SOME DECISION MAKING AND SKILL ERRORS ON Saturday night but both will be better players next year

He wasn't in charge of Recruiting at the Dockers when he was there, Phil Smart was. At the time WH was the Dockers recruiting manager in Victoria.

Regards Cazzesman

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Re: Tippett/Hampson........as I said on the recruiting board, pretty sure at the time, the brief to WH would be to find a tap ruckman for the list......again pretty sure he got that one 100% right. As Kouta said if we want to pick the teeth out of that one with 20/20 hindsight why didn't the crows take him at 14 if they were looking for tall forwards and he was a lay down misere AFL player?

What Hampson could bring to the team was far more urgent than what Tippet could bring to the team.

I have noticed people on this forum have stopped screaming out for a ruckmen. Maybe in some ways that is an endorsement of Hampsons progress. He is progressing well.

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