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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 11:52 am 
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take away La Cras and they kicked what 3 goals?

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 11:56 am 
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Every time Juddy touched he ball it resulted in a shot at goal.

Take away Juddy and we would have struggled to beat the Eagles.


He plays for us so that is good.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:01 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Melvey wrote:
Every time Juddy touched he ball it resulted in a shot at goal.

Take away Juddy and we would have struggled to beat the Eagles.


He plays for us so that is good.


Thank god or Dick Pratt


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Melvey wrote:
Every time Juddy touched he ball it resulted in a shot at goal.

Take away Juddy and we would have struggled to beat the Eagles.



WTF
Take away his balls and my uncle is my aunty.
Judd out would mean Kennedy and Masten playing for us and we'd still be a rabble.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:41 pm 
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There's no guarantees that talent bears fruit, but I'm certainly relieved at the strides taken by Bower, Hammer, Austin and Joseph this year.

I'm sure the development program will bear fruit over time too
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I'm happy to give credit to the development team for improvement of these young players which is most encouraging for supporters.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:42 pm 
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but isn't that why we got him - to help with pour development, to make us a better team?

So now when we figure if we have improved we must discount Judd?

Then I agree with Melvey - should never have traded for him - he hinders our development. :grin:

We didnt get him so he can carry us... i dont believe..
We dont even use him correctly.
But he is a fantastic player.


The game has changed alot since 2005 when judd has a lot more space. Not alot of room to get free these days.
With his injuries and age he has also had to adjust his game. Similar to Voss all them years back.
I think he is preparing himself with being a more in and under player in mind these days. Adding weight and building up his core so he can stand in the tackles.

He is a gun and a forward thinker and is doing exactly what we got him for. Playing great footy.

He also speaks of our gameplan in interviews. I scoff when he does though because i am told by a bloke on the internet that we dont have a gameplan.


yeah cos judd is going to say he doesnt agree with the gameplan.. and he has a dream.. its to dislodge bret kirk and cameron ling from the all australian inside midfielders role...

im wth you club!!! :thumbsup:

Im also sure he doesnt mind having a couple of years knocked off his 'best before date'...

yep yep.....

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:04 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
take away La Cras and they kicked what 3 goals?


And take away the 3 free kicks they got in front of goal and they would have kicked none :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:07 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
but isn't that why we got him - to help with pour development, to make us a better team?

So now when we figure if we have improved we must discount Judd?

Then I agree with Melvey - should never have traded for him - he hinders our development. :grin:

We didnt get him so he can carry us... i dont believe..
We dont even use him correctly.
But he is a fantastic player.


The game has changed alot since 2005 when judd has a lot more space. Not alot of room to get free these days.
With his injuries and age he has also had to adjust his game. Similar to Voss all them years back.
I think he is preparing himself with being a more in and under player in mind these days. Adding weight and building up his core so he can stand in the tackles.

He is a gun and a forward thinker and is doing exactly what we got him for. Playing great footy.

He also speaks of our gameplan in interviews. I scoff when he does though because i am told by a bloke on the internet that we dont have a gameplan.


yeah cos judd is going to say he doesnt agree with the gameplan.. and he has a dream.. its to dislodge bret kirk and cameron ling from the all australian inside midfielders role...

im wth you club!!! :thumbsup:

Im also sure he doesnt mind having a couple of years knocked off his 'best before date'...

yep yep.....


I dont see the Ling Kirk thing. He is playing similar to Ablett. I think that is a seed you planted in your own head a few weeks back and now its growing........in your own head.

So now you are saying there is a gameplan but its one you dont agree with ?

I am confused. Do you want me to take your word over Judds when it comes to football ?


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:35 pm 
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The point is we got Judd (or at least that should have been the motivation) to be part, if not the biggest part, of our future, not to to be the sole focus. I winced slightly, though I let it pass, when someone at the top of the club said "I think we can build a side around Judd".

For instance, I'd rather have two of Angus Monfries than one Garry Abblet and a waterboy if it effectively means that you are forced to play the waterboy.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:41 pm 
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PRO's

AJ - Wow. This kid is a SUPER find. Shut-down role to perfection. Not that i care, but i'd love to see him get a rising star nomination.

BOWER - Has not put a foot wrong this year and is the in-form player of the club. Consistantly wonderful week-in week-out.

FEV & JUDD - finding some much needed form after last week.

SETANTA - Loved his little tap on to Judd, then he ran back into space for judd to kick too (in the end, judd went elsewhere but it was good to see Setanta backing up his efforts rather than just saying 'oh well, i've done my bit).

FISHER - Good to see him back. Wasn't a fan of his last year, but hopefully he can step up this year.

MUPRHY - As good as always.

SETVO - Wow. I actually saw Stevens throw himself on the ball a couple of time. I really enjoyed watching his game. Well done. :-)



CONS's:-

YES CAZZ, there are going to be some "Yeah, But's"...............

KICK INs - AWFULL! despicable. Atrocious. Have we done no work on these all year? It certainly doesn't feel that way. We take our time, which allows the opposistion to man up, then we always kick wide which most of the time, it ends up in a turn over and results in a goal. Why do i see no players leading for the ball? They stand there and wait for it to be kicked to them.

PLAYING THE FLANKS - We have Kreuzer as the only player who is a good tall who can take a contested grab, so why are we playing this 'kicking along the flanks' crap? It's awful. The times we we're kicking goals last night is when we moved it through the corridor and hit a leading forward. I fully believe if we kept playing like that we could have won by 100points.

WEST COAST AREN'T THAT GOOD - seriously, we beat a side that we should have thrashed. West Coast are re-building and we're trying to make a push for the finals. We should have pulverized them.

JORDAN RUSSELL - why am i even bothering to write this but.................who did he play on? I was told to watch him 'Carefully', which i did. All Night! I watched him go to ground 3 times, i watched him make endless mistakes, and i watched him run around On His Own for most of the game picking up a mere 11 possesions (10 of them uncontested, what does that tell you).
What Does He Do to deserve a spot in this team over Anderson or Bannister? Drop Him for god sake.



We have Brisbane (Away), St Kilda, Essendon* and Freo again.................... At the moment, i can see maybe 1 win based on our current style of play and form. 1 win will not keep us in the 8. Whilst i'm happy with the win, surely we can play better football than that! Because if we don't, i can't see us beating any of those teams we have coming up!

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 2:43 pm 
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Pros
Thought a big pro was Kade Simpson..... looked like he is getting back to his best

Cons
This thread being hijacked by the usual suspects. The way its going Pros and Cons will end up the same as Talking Players.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 4:00 pm 
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Pat's Fitztrick wrote:
PROS :

We won. Not by a big enough margin, but we won.

Kreuzer and Hampson worked Cox over tonight. At times, Hammer’s palming was superb. Kreuzer is all class, and the scary part (for our opposition) is that both of them are probably five years away from their peak.

Aaron Joseph was a big contributor to this win. Courage and concentration personified. I thought he was super tonight.

Fev got his mojo back, and resumed doing what he does best. Very happy with his six goals, but it really should have been 9 or 10. (I'm also a bit concerned about his new habit of trying to take marks one-handed....)

Jeff Garlett showed plenty. Knows how to find the footy, and his decision-making and foot skills were excellent. If he can pack on some beef without losing pace or agility, he could be sensational.

Setanta O’hAilpin. Very pleased with the big bloke. I thought he showed a lot of maturity tonight, made very few errors and at last, looked like he belonged. Likewise Mark Austin.

Brad Fisher. Did all that was asked of him, and kicked straight.

CONS:

No Jarrad Waite.

I agree with Denis Cometti – our defence is brittle. But Bower, Jamo, Austin and company will be bigger and better next year, and even better in 2011.

The future is bright.


"At times, Hammer’s palming was superb" - i know i'm a nark, but again this week, like last week, gave away goals when he palmed towards their goal in their forward line. now that may be the instruction or the positioning by the intended palmees, but maybe a bit of logic here?

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 4:04 pm 
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Well we could revert to playing the long kicking direct style that we did under Pagan. That worked really well for us and other teams struggled to work it out.

For mine it's mainly about the cattle, and while ours is improving it is not there yet. Stick a Nick Riweoldt at CHF and I'll give you a top 2 team and an obvious gameplan. We simply don't have that luxury. When our midefield breaks even or beats the opposition Fev and the other forwards like Fisher and Houlihan play well. When we get beaten in the midfiled our forwards look useless.



we've got a bloke called kruezer - why won't he do?

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:10 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
take away La Cras and they kicked what 3 goals?


Take away judd and we have 14 less shots at goal.

Juddy was involved in 14 shots at goal. Unbelievable stat


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:22 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
take away La Cras and they kicked what 3 goals?


Take away judd and we have 14 less shots at goal.

Juddy was involved in 14 shots at goal. Unbelievable stat


And mark Robinson thought he wasnt worthy in being in the top 5 players on the ground
Absolute idiot


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:57 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Melvey wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
take away La Cras and they kicked what 3 goals?


Take away judd and we have 14 less shots at goal.

Juddy was involved in 14 shots at goal. Unbelievable stat


And mark Robinson thought he wasnt worthy in being in the top 5 players on the ground
Absolute idiot


Mark Robinson is a con


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:26 pm 
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We are 5th on the ladder with the 3rd best percentage in the comp :cool:

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:28 pm 
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Well we could revert to playing the long kicking direct style that we did under Pagan. That worked really well for us and other teams struggled to work it out.

For mine it's mainly about the cattle, and while ours is improving it is not there yet. Stick a Nick Riweoldt at CHF and I'll give you a top 2 team and an obvious gameplan. We simply don't have that luxury. When our midefield breaks even or beats the opposition Fev and the other forwards like Fisher and Houlihan play well. When we get beaten in the midfiled our forwards look useless.



we've got a bloke called kruezer - why won't he do?


We could .... if we had a main ruckman fit to replace him. You can't take him out of the ruck until we have a genuine replacement ... people talk about Judd giving drive out of the middle, Kreuz gives us almost as much ... a ruck and a midfielder rolled into one, 2nd and 3rd and 4th efforts, huge tank ... this kid is amazing.

If Warnock can hold down the ruck, then he comes back and you move Kreuz to the forward line ... straightens the team up, we can afford not being so Fevcentric, stop punting it up onto the head of short forwards. Suddenly structure and game plan are praised ... sorry, funny coloured glasses right?

Problem with this is that Kreuz wants to play on the ball and he wants that because he knows his contribution to the team is greater.

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Take away Judd and we would have struggled to beat the Eagles. :roll:

While we're at it why dont we take away:

Fred Stafford, Brian Kekovich, Ted Hopkins, Wayne Harmes - then we can return the 1947, 1968, 1970 and 1979 Premiership Cups. :roll: :roll: :roll: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

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I don't like that idea AGRO. :cry: Can we not do that please?


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