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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 8:44 am 
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I was going to put in my 2 cents worth, but the anger is somehwat overwelming at the moment. Granted that there are a couple of reasons from yesterday's debacle, but....
I am looking forward to the Bullants' game today to see what we can come up with.

Please believe me that if players are not instructed to play efficiently and effectively it doesnt matter what you have in the Bullants.

Were hoping to bring the same blokes in to make a difference that we bag when theyre in the side...

Unless you have shape.. and you have purpose and you play with intent... to a well defined gameplan... it really doesnt matter!!!... by bringing in more players youre creating more scapegoats.

For them to do ok.. Ratts has to define his objectives in games and drill the players .

So far he has a wishy washy gameplan built around high disposal rubbish and the players are going backwards in a hurry.

Yes Even Judd and Gibbs

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:09 am 
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:banghead: Hi guys.
I have come here today to vent about Jordan Russell.
I got soooo frustrated yesterday that Ratten left him on the same player dsespite him being incompetent there.
I was a bit taken aback to see this site actually proudly sponsors him!!
What's that about?
Paul Bower has been fantastic this year so no complaints there.
Why is Ratts persisting with Russell?
He surely would have shown by now any leap out of profound averageness, with a propensity to fold under pressure, mis-kick the ball, mis -handball the ball...etc etc.
Why is he given so many chances?
its easy to spot players who have it isn't it?
I really hate disliking a player in my own team...but I just can't get over this one.
Why does he get to play while Hoops doesn't?
Houlihan and Fev have a great on field chemistry,and he could help bring Fev out of his kicking slump.
Honestly,i would rather watch Setanta muck up than Russell anyday,because at least Setant is entertaining....and maybe....with enough game time might turn out ok!
Pleases, someone, offer Jordan Russell an alternate career path.
Preferably on an offshore oil rig. :smile:

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:30 am 
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Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:43 am 
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At least in past years we had the xcuse we were didn't have the cattle, now theres no excuse for efforts like that, absolutely disgraceful.

Our awareness and basic skills were that of a junior level standard and should never be repeated by an AFL team.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:45 am 
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Waite going down didn't help our structure.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:51 am 
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Effes wrote:
Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:53 am 
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Unless you have shape.. and you have purpose and you play with intent... to a well defined gameplan... it really doesnt matter!!!...


Spot on Synbad....

Go back to the Freo game, Mark Harvey deployed a 3/4 ground zone against us, flooding our forward line and keeping their forward line open so they could run from half back into an open forward line.
Our last 2 weeks have been a carbon copy of this. It might have worked against an underman Collingwood last week, made us look like we have turn the corner without relying on Fev to kick goals.
Same game plan yesterday, numbers behind the ball, open (nobody there) forward line. Problem was the crows kept numbers back so when we looked up there was 2 or 3 crows in our forward 50, no room to bomb the ball long for Eddie and co to run onto it. You could tell 5-10 minutes into the first qrt this was not working, yet we persisted with it for a half of footy.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25528547-19742,00.html
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CARLTON coach Brett Ratten believes the Blues have overdone stacking numbers around and behind the ball after the 44-point loss to Adelaide yesterday.


Do you think so Ratts... Really...

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It wasn't until the third quarter that Carlton began looking dangerous.
When the forward structure was in place, Nick Stevens lifted, Chris Judd found some of the ball after being completely left in the shade by Mick Doughty in the first two quarters.
The lesson the Blues come away with is that they function better as a more traditionally structured football side.


Funny about that.....

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:06 am 
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Another 2 things that really pissed me off about yesterday....

1. Running away from the man with the ball... Countless times whenever the crows were running out of the backline nobody ran to the man with the ball... We ran away from him like he had swine flu. We ran back to try and flood the space (by the way, we are crap at doing that). This just allows the player with the ball to spot up any target he likes without any pressure..

2. No one attacking side at the stoppages. We were getting smash in and around the stoppages, we won our fare share of hit outs but couldn't get first hands on the ball. The crows always had 2 to 3 guys there defensive side, once the ball was won it was handballed back to guys who had time and space to deliver without any pressure.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:24 am 
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Another 2 things that really pissed me off about yesterday....

1. Running away from the man with the ball... Countless times whenever the crows were running out of the backline nobody ran to the man with the ball... We ran away from him like he had swine flu. We ran back to try and flood the space (by the way, we are crap at doing that). This just allows the player with the ball to spot up any target he likes without any pressure..

2. No one attacking side at the stoppages. We were getting smash in and around the stoppages, we won our fare share of hit outs but couldn't get first hands on the ball. The crows always had 2 to 3 guys there defensive side, once the ball was won it was handballed back to guys who had time and space to deliver without any pressure.



On the running away from the man carrying the ball... i noticed that and thought ... opposite of what ross lyon is doing.... interesting....

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:28 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.


This is a Synbad clanger.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:28 am 
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How do you know you had a poor game as coach? David Schwarz comes out in the game analysis and says Ratts got it wrong, the team had no structure. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:47 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.


I was talking about Bower. :?

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:50 am 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.


This is a Synbad clanger.


yeah it is... :oops:

Sunday i have Russell on my mind.... Easybeats...

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:52 am 
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Effes wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.


I was talking about Bower. :?


Sorry :)

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:59 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.


I was talking about Bower. :?


Sorry :)


Don't worry about it. :cool:

It just seems that Bower doesn't get enough credit for the great form he has shown. Especially with the amount of ball coming in (60 inside 50s to 39)

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:02 am 
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DownUnderChick wrote:
Waite going down didn't help our structure.



Affected our fwd line but in doing so made Ratten push Thronton fwd and allowed us more run from defence which I actually think helped us and showed us a few things


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:02 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
:banghead: Hi guys.
I have come here today to vent about Jordan Russell.
I got soooo frustrated yesterday that Ratten left him on the same player dsespite him being incompetent there.
I was a bit taken aback to see this site actually proudly sponsors him!!
What's that about?
Paul Bower has been fantastic this year so no complaints there.
Why is Ratts persisting with Russell?
He surely would have shown by now any leap out of profound averageness, with a propensity to fold under pressure, mis-kick the ball, mis -handball the ball...etc etc.
Why is he given so many chances?
its easy to spot players who have it isn't it?
I really hate disliking a player in my own team...but I just can't get over this one.
Why does he get to play while Hoops doesn't?
Houlihan and Fev have a great on field chemistry,and he could help bring Fev out of his kicking slump.
Honestly,i would rather watch Setanta muck up than Russell anyday,because at least Setant is entertaining....and maybe....with enough game time might turn out ok!
Pleases, someone, offer Jordan Russell an alternate career path.
Preferably on an offshore oil rig. :smile:


Ditto

Can't understand why Stetanta is ridiculed so much as Russell continues to get a game.


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:20 am 
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bosman wrote:
1. Running away from the man with the ball... Countless times whenever the crows were running out of the backline nobody ran to the man with the ball... We ran away from him like he had swine flu. We ran back to try and flood the space (by the way, we are crap at doing that). This just allows the player with the ball to spot up any target he likes without any pressure..

+1
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:41 am 
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In my defence..I din't say Russell should or should not be sposored!
I merely suggested,that when you want to vent about a player,then see their shining dial smiling at you where you want to vent..it's a tad disconcerting!! :sad:
also..Why are people getting stuck into Bower?
He's been much improved this year!!
I just hate it that Russell gets games ahead of many others who stand half a chance or really blossoming into something..or at least have winning personalities!(sorry..cheap jibe!!) :smile:
ps..my bird is waayy too big...how do i get it to be the avatar thingy??
have a loverly Sunday.
Only 5 sleeps til we embarrass or redeem ourselves at the dome!
go blueboys!
please...please put Hoops back in.
ps Is carazzo injured?

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 1:41 pm 
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ps Is carazzo injured?


Yes, Thumb? 3-4 weeks away still.

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