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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:36 pm 
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Here's how i look at it. Just say last year we appointed John Worsfold or Mark Williams who have an outsiders view and rate who is any good or no good. Would either of them play Simon Wiggins, Jordan Bannister, Ryan Houlahan or Adam Bentick..... me thinks not then why do we persist, for team moral?? if these guys can't handle the heat then get out of the kitchen


Did you see the first few years of Ratten's playing career Melvey?

Before 1995 Ratten played 72 games over 5 years of pretty ordinary football.

In 1995 he played every game and won a best and fairest in a premiership team.

Bentick's now played 60 games in four and a half years.

Players do improve over the course of their careers but based on your logic Ratten would have been axed in 1994.


i vividly remember ratt's first competitive hit out, perhaps an intra club game in 1990 or 91? he looked FANTASTIC! diesel-like ability to win the ball in tight and fire off a handball to a moving target. i remember making a HUGE song and dance about him to my filth mates ...

then, for reasons that now elude me (too much grappa over the years), ratts ended up taking a while to come on and become that player that had me salivating. my filth mates had a field day as they sarcastically enquired on the progress of this "latest carlton star" ...

ratts seemed to struggle as he served an initial apprenticeship as a back pocket. then judge convinced parko to move ratts into the midfield and the rest, as they say, is history.

my point is that ratts did actually show a huge amount of promise. somehow things stagnated a bit, perhaps it was due to us having established star midfielders thereby forcing him to play in unfamiliar roles.

bentick et al have never really suggested the sort of talent that i felt ratts had. bentick is a good kid who tries hard and kudos to him for that, but ratts to me looked like a special talent from day 1.

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Ratten played the last game of 1990. In 1991 he secured 409 possessions at an average of 20.45 touches a game...a sensational effort for a 19/20 year old.


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Just find this premise of this conversation bizarre.

I think that we've finally made some solid strides this year under Ratts and I think we have the foundations of something pretty special in a few years time.


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2 years of age/games into Murph, Kruise, Gibbs and others, add some new kids and look the @#$%&! out!

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agree with maxyblue - ratts looked like what steven browne looks like today :-D


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Get behind Ratten people, he'll be a very good coach. Trust him, believe in him and support him. You'll see.

Now all he has to do is fix our forward line. :P


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Last night answered the question 'Can Ratts Coach?' That would be a yes.

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See it really isnt as easy as that- it never is
At 3QR time Im sure half of the people on here were ready to sack him on the spot!
As Ive said all along, lets judge him at the end of this season, and if someone better comes along like a Worsfold or a Roos, we have to at the very least give them serious consideration.


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we're ahead of WC on the ladder at the moment so couldn't we mount a case that its better to keep Ratts than bring in Worsfold?

NO JUDD NO WORSFOLD

(not that I'm a mega-pro-ratts guy..... I would be if he wasnt so conservative at the selection table)

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I would give him until the end of next year and make the decision then. Strategically I am pleased on the direction the team is heading. And Ratts will get a lot better tactically as a coach

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Last night answered the question 'Can Ratts Coach?' That would be a yes.


I tend to disagree. I thought it was a woeful coaching performance for 3 quarters anyway. I can't understand for the life of me why there is so much focus on directing the ball to Fevola when he has 2-3 opponents?
Our kick outs are still woeful.
A top 6 team would have put us away.


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Also, the first real pre-season a coach gets gives him a chance to mould the list.

Last year's preseason doesn't really count because we were so in the grips of the Judd-circus that other deals were difficult. This year he can make a call on the list and look to trade the guys he doesn't want and can get something for.... and then work on the kids he wants to develop next season.

No doubt he's giving Russell (for example), Wiggins etc etc enough games to make a call at the end of the year.... He might be looking at Stevens and Scotland in the same way.

Our position on the ladder is where we optimistically thought we would be. if he can pinch some wins against finals teams, and continue to build confidence in the squad then he will have done well on paper

I think he is a bit conservative though at the selection table though... the pressure and movement off the ball, and set-plays etc where we are a bit lacking is largely because our senior players can be very unaccountable, and the kids are playing in a variety of roles and could be settled a bit more (ie give Gibbs a position and let him stay there)

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Still problems with kick ins, blocking for Juddy (although slightly better) forward structure and team selections..
This isnt a debate that can be resolved by one good performance, or one bad performance for that matter. An ongoing critical appraisal needs to take place for our club to be the best football team again headed by the best coach.


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Called on the players to handball less.. kick lobger and provided KROOOOOZER as an aternative option to Fev....

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Synbad wrote:
Called on the players to handball less.. kick lobger and provided KROOOOOZER as an aternative option to Fev....


Which is exactly how you should instruct wet weather footy


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Called on the players to handball less.. kick lobger and provided KROOOOOZER as an aternative option to Fev....


Which is exactly how you should instruct wet weather footy


No its how you instruct your players for optimum return.... :wink:

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Synbad wrote:
Called on the players to handball less.. kick lobger and provided KROOOOOZER as an aternative option to Fev....



Sign of a good coach to change things up mid stream - assess the conditions and play accordingly

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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Called on the players to handball less.. kick lobger and provided KROOOOOZER as an aternative option to Fev....



Sign of a good coach to change things up mid stream - assess the conditions and play accordingly


I thought it was a tad slow myself. The Port players played wet weather footy from the opening bouce, why did Ratts need to watch half a game of damp sloppy football before he had his epiphany?


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nightcrawler wrote:
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Called on the players to handball less.. kick lobger and provided KROOOOOZER as an aternative option to Fev....



Sign of a good coach to change things up mid stream - assess the conditions and play accordingly


I thought it was a tad slow myself. The Port players played wet weather footy from the opening bouce, why did Ratts need to watch half a game of damp sloppy football before he had his epiphany?


He timed it to perfection :lol:

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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Still problems with kick ins, blocking for Juddy (although slightly better) forward structure and team selections..
This isnt a debate that can be resolved by one good performance, or one bad performance for that matter. An ongoing critical appraisal needs to take place for our club to be the best football team again headed by the best coach.


I agree with you on our kick ins sometimes but our blocking and shepherding in general has been pretty good this year. And what can a coach do when he doesnt have the 'cattle'?
Finally players (eg Kreuzer, Cloke) are putting there hand up to play forward with Fev...and we had Hartlett till he got injured and Ratts is also looking at Setanta up there so he's trying to work out a winning forward line.

And on team selections...care to give some examples on where you think Ratts has gone wrong?

Its also pretty obvious we have a game plan in place and the players are just getting used to it...compare it to the pagan years.

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