North are and have been well ahead of us for quite some time now. I don't get what you're on about.

So if our list is better - the reason the reason we are mediocre is ...... ????


Our club is coming off 6 years of shit ............. we walk onto a football ground other clubs treat us like we used to treat St.Kilda in the 70s and 80 - like a flower door mat.

All other clubs have to do is come up behind us and say boo!!! and we shit ourselves go back into our shells and play tempo footy - and you say that mental fragility it bullshit.

We have a long, long, long way to go.

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our list is better than theirs yet they are miles ahead of us

how can you not see this as a problem?

how can you not watch them play and then watch us play and see serious issues with the way we go about our footy?

rose coloured glasses? willing to accept mediocre efforts? overly optimistic ?

naive?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I'd be interested if anyone can actually prove how our list, player for player, is actually better than North's.

If they can, then I'd like some of what they're having.

talk about circle work

its been explained over and over again why our list can be better but we are mediocre

yes the mental fragility is evident but its a bullshit excuse and we fall back on it as an excuse as to why we are shit

take some flower pride in yourselves and in the jumper - if someone comes up behind you and yells boo - dont shit yourself turn around and yell boo back - LOUDER !!

falling into tempo footy and rolling over and taking the reaming then falling back on the old - oh woe is me , we have been so bad the past 6 years , and everyone beats us , and we are young , and whinge whinge excuse , excuese

will never see us get anywhere

its loser talk

we are always looking for the excuses

wheres the pride?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

have you looked at half the flower players running around for them tonight /???

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Well?

The onus.

See, the way I see it is that there's two completely different issues that everyone keeps trying to tie into the same argument. They are so separate from each other that it is not funny.

There's the issue of a team that doesn't work for each other and fight hard with pride: Either they do or they don't?

Then there's the issue of tempo footy: Good or bad?

You see I agree that the team doesn't work for each other, and that we have bludgers aplenty, and that we have players not willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the team. I also understand that we have the youngest and most inexperienced list in the comp, with the some of our leaders being the biggest bludgers of them all. I know that the young players will get better and stronger, whereas I doubt the bludgers will change. But overall we will get better with a little time, I have no doubt about that.

What I don't agree with is this bullshit that's being spun about tempo footy. It works. It may not work in every situation, but it works. While I agree it wasn't fun to watch in the Geelong game, partially due to it's average execution, it's worth was that it was a couple of minutes where Geelong didn't score. It didn't help us attack or make us a better team on the night, but it prevented Geelong from blowing the game apart just before half time. What happened after half time is irrelevant: the fact is it was used for a short period of time when it was required and it was effective in it's specific purpose, nothing else. We didn't try it for the rest of the game.

I actually hate tempo footy, it's frustrating to watch (that game against Sydney at TD a couple of years ago where they did it for the entire second half, I almost smashed my TV!!!) but I am not stupid enough to think that it doesn't work. We did it really well against Colonwood earlier in the year and I didn't hear boo out of anyone about what a terrible tactic it was.

In the end I think the result that comes from a weak team effort like last Saturday night only makes the tempo footy tactic stand out so it seems like it's the bad guy when realistically the problem is much deeper than that.

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the issues arent mutually exclusive - what we saw last weekend was a desperate measure as a result of all the other issues spoken about

there is tempo footy ( ala north in the second quarter tonight held it up for about 10 seconds , a few kicks down the line , runners moving forward then attacking )

then there is the :tempofooty: garbage we carried on with - which was white flag waving - chip chip go no where garbage

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I can't believe we do it every game. So far we have lost 10 games straight playing chip chip bullshit.

I WANT A WIN!!

We had the best list on paper in 1976 as well.

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agree totally!!

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That's a fair call grro

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..i've got no prob with tempo footy, and we've used it successfully in the past, however that crap we served up vs the cats wasn't tempo footy.. ..it was 'deer in the headlights' stuff..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Id be interested to see if we would use that very succesful piece of super strategy again......

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Well after using it for the past 10 weeks, I'm sure we'll use it again every game for the next 12 weeks.

IT'S A CERTAINTY!!!

OHHHHH NOOOOOO!!!!

I actually think we should do nothing else apart from tempo footy, every week, every minute, every quarter.

But I agree Verbs, one would think we have been doing it all the time. The only other time we did it was against Collingwood, but we were in front. The moral of the story is this, if you win everyone will think whatever your doing is the right thing, and if you lose your a goose.

The tempo footy gave us a chance at half time, for those that think the 3rd quarter was directly linked to the chipping around at the end of the 2nd quarter is either naive or stupid. We lost because Geelong are a much better team at this stage.

I still stand by the fact I think we are on the right track and we will be playing finals football next year.

Had Richmond engaged in tempo footy just before qtr time against Adelaide with only 70 seconds on the clock, they might not have conceded a goal.

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na but then Adelaide would have come out and blown them out of the water....oh wait...they did...

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Actually more a realist