All you ignorant Kouta bashers, just sit back and watch our membership and sponsorship figures climb. There will be NO damage to the Carlton brand over this. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. Leadership is when you have the balls to speak up and Kouta has done this. He tried to get the stupid old coach sacked but the dumb arse board overruled him and flip flopped. The current board will look in light of Kouta's words, because they will be seen to be vindicated for sacking Pagan. Seriously, 30% of you have no clue whatsoever.

you guys just wait til I release my tell all book about the Blue View and Talking Carlton...oooooweeee!

this little books got nothing on that one baby.....


here is a snippet

'tommi never did play the drums....'

and another

'I have it on good authority that Synbad could not swim....'


and another


'Blue Vain is actually Kevin Sheedy trying to undermine the club he hate smost....'

'camelboy was not a camel'

and infally, and perhaps the most shocking of all

'Jarusa fudged many of his stas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

there are even some photos and a soundtrack of Sydney Blue's voice that when played backwards that says 'I love you Denis!'

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'm not here to Preach Kouta's name to those who don't think much of him,................

But.............

For me, i feel Kouta did infact give his all to this club! I constantly hear the younger kids talk him up.

Sure, he wasn't what you would consider an inspirational captain, but it's like what Setanta said..........whenever he needed a kick-to-kick for practise, Kouta would always be willing to oblige.

Kouta did win his 2nd B&F under Pagan and finished Runner Up to McKay another year.

Sure, Kouta probably could have done more...............but for that matter, so could Nick Stevens, So could Fevola, so could Lance, Lappin, Houlihan, and about 2 dozen other players that were on our list at the time. There was a Virus going around that club and it led to all involved at Carlton to drop their heads.

Pagan wasn't the only one to blame. Collo, Smorgan & Malouf should wear alot of it too. Collo's pathetic talk of our players being 'Z' grade would have to be the dumbest comment made by a president i have ever heard. Smorgan clearly loves the club but just didn't know how to run it and sometimes i wondered just what Molouf did most of the time.

The past 4 years have just been a disgrace and it would have to be hard to keep your chin up and give 100% when that shit is going on. Player, coach or board member,............whatever your roll, if your surounded by fire you'll probably get burnt!

Hence why Carlton seems such a better place now. No Smorgan, No Malouf, no Pagan..................no problems.

I thought Kouta was actually quite easy on Denis, the Herald Sun have perhaps blown it up a bit.

Deano, on the 'Averagde dissposals', i read it differently. I read it as Kouta discribing just how poor Denis's gameplan was that led to less players getting their hands on the ball and more just 'bombing it long' which is the exact same reason i have never been a fan of Denis..............cause that seemed to be his only trick in his very short book of coaching!
Just awful to watch and i honestly believe that in the short time Ratten has been in charge i have seen more of a game plan than i ever did under Denis. Bizare thought.

But i have no doubt in my mind that if Kouta was in this years PSD.......he would be picked up in a heartbeat.................but Pagan would STILL be out of a job!

You guys all know how much i love the great man and how much i hated Pagan so my opinions are always going to be biased anyway..............HOWEVER.............at the end of the day, Pagan/Malouf/Smorgan & Collo NOT being at this club means we are better off.

It is a much better place to be now and i personally will fight long and hard to try and keep it that way!

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Also what about:

"Melvey's scoops are never right"

or

"Nytdog wasn't really the first to say it"

should pump up the sales eh Danny?

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Sorry MacFart

Kouta will not be joining "the Lance, Campo & Hamil bunch"

Kouta is a champion of our club and sits way above any of those guys you have mentioned. To suggest he fits in that group does great unjustice to him.

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I wouldn't include Lance in that lot. He has been great inspite of his physical limitations.

CK wasn't really gay, he was just saying it to pick up chicks.

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I'm looking forward to these chapters as well...

GIBBS!

and

Is he eligible for the NRS

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I tend to agree, but Lance sits below Kouta

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Simplistic nonsense.

Pagan inherited a wooden spoon side, the worst list in the comp, draft picks stripped, broke club that spent nothing on the footy department, but hey it is all Pagan's fault.

Did Pagan make mistakes? Absolutely and I thought by the end it was time for him to move on.

Just like family matters, a club's dirty laundry should be kept quiet publically.

For Pagan he only came for the money . His heart was still at the kangaroos going to kanga functions and watching kanga games even when it had no benefit to Carlton.

He brought in an Micky Martin just to help out a friend.

Do you think Pagan hurts when we lost games. He was more worried about where to sit when watching Glen Archers 300 or last game.

Did Pagan take any paycuts during our bad time. Did he quit when he new his time was up. Instead he gets his nice payout . The buck stops with the coach regarding performance just like players if they don't preform they get de-listed.

Dont tell me Pagan didn't know what he was getting he came to a club that was on the bottom of the ladder he tried to take short cuts to climb the ladder. I know we where fined draft concession but do you really think that even with Goddard and Wells would have made us a top eight team.

Without taking sides I reckon that the sooner we put these matters behind us the better -all the vestiges of those times have gone -whilst almost tragic Lances delisting hopefully will be cathartic in this regard and the start of a new era
Having said all that I thought Pagan spoke with dignity and bearing this morning and it was a credit to him given the circumstances - it didnt work him and Carlton but lets move on

Totally agree Synbad.
Kouta and all of the senior players should stop pointing the finger and take some of the blame.
It's easy to blame the teacher when you fail an exam....for those of you who are parents you'll know what i mean.
Kouta has just proved how 'simple' he is.

And for those of you who say Kouta is a champion of the club.
Yes, i agree....as a player.
But not as a captain nor a leader.
History will not paint Kouta as a legend.
It will paint him as the captain during our darkest hour.
And if you think that is harsh....you'll see in 20 or 30 years time.

Kouta...by admission..created & continued the gap between players and coach. If he was a true leader he would have rallied the players to back the coaches' judgement.

It's very easy to take pot shots like this.
What would Kouta know about coaching. He judges it based on the number of possessions that he got...what a joke. Look at Geelong, most contested side and they won the flag. Before them Weagles and Sydney. He is the student and he is telling the teacher how to teach.

There are many ways to successful leaders. Some of you reckon that if you don't have the support of the players then your a poor leader. That's partially right. But history has got many examples of successful leadership teams that did not agree. Bob Hawke and Paul Keating didn't like each other, but formed a successful team for 11 years. Howard and Costello exactly the same. Last year people wanted to sack Bomber Tompson, this year he is the greatest coach ever for Geelong. Kouta was a professional...and he should have acted like one.

Kouta's book is a poor reflection on himself...Shame on you Kouta. He admits publicly to meeting with the Board to sack Pagan. If I were Kouta I would be embarrassed to write about it and make it public...even if it did happen. He is obviously doing it for a few more dollars, cos controversy sells. As if he hasn't received enough money from Carlton, now he wants more. Funny thing is, he wanted to play on in 2008, but Ratten told him no. He couldn't accept this from Pagan but he accepted it from Ratts.

In my eyes, Pagan showed what integrity he had by his reply on the radio.

On the positive side, this will be forgotten in a couple of months time and we'll move onwards and upwards.

Go Baby Blues...

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So the mystery caller spent time unde Parko, Britts and 2 years under Denis. Means he was delisted in 2004.

I'll have a crack and say it was Darren Hulme.

Didn't sound like Beaumont and besides, Beauie was traded at the end of 03 and only spent one year under Denis.

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Ordinarily I would agree with you, however I think you'll find most AFL watchers (and I am talking about supporters of the other 15 clubs + ignorant Carlton supporters) prior to today did not realise the extent to which Denis Pagan ruined our club, and I think the truth needed to come out. The truth should always come out.

Take my word for it, Beaumont HATES Pagan.

Mate, we're all aware of that.

My point was that it couldn't have been Beauie calling in this morning as the guy said "I played there for 9 years under Parko and Britts, 2 of those years were under Denis"

As I pointed out, Beaumont spent ONE year under Pagan and was then traded to the Hawks.

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Have you been away from planet earth during the last 10 years?
DP ruined Carlton???

Yep, he signed Kouta on mega bucks.
He drained the blues coffers.
He borrowed millions.
He breached the salary cap.
He got us the draft penalties and million dollar fine.
He created our depleted list.

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I'd heard the rumours but until this stuff came out I didn't know for certain that Kouta and the other senior players had problems with Pagan. Perhaps it could've waited until the club found it's feet a little stronger but I'm glad to have this stuff in the public domain finally. It has started a sort of healing process for me.

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Wow, how negative are you. And anyway, he will be remembered for being a player who at the top of his game was unstoppable and the best player ever when on song.




What a load of bollucks. He was a true leader, and as a true leader does, he represented the players who all hated the coach.




To focus on Kouta's stats remark is to be naive and trivial.

You obviously have been watching a different team to the one I have been watching the past few years, a team that did not have the players to play the long game plan, but sadly were forced by their coach to continue to execute this game plan to their detriment. Funny how Ratts has the team playing a more accountable game plan and the team is suddenly 'in the contest' most weeks (obviously they didn;t win a game under him because they were picking a side that couldn't win).




That makes no sense at all. He has led from the front on this. He took the players complaints to the board. He didn't drag the club's name through the mud then did he? He kept it secret, just at board level. Now he wants to set the record straight, good on him I say, he is speaking up for what he believes in. It's time this came out. Pagan ruined our club and got away scott free rep wise, and got paid a squillion for it too.

At least Kouta performed for his money (he was B&F and no.1 for clearances even after his knee injury), Pagan did SFA.



Every man has the right to make as much money as possible. As if you wouldn't!!! And as I said, he won't be hurting the club. The new board will be vindicated for getting rid of Pagan in light of Kouta's words.



Well that would be because he respects Ratts, genius!