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AGRO

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:11 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

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Clayman wrote:

AGRO wrote:

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

......Murphy, Kennedy and Gibbs are going to be core players......Essendon* have Houli, Hislop, Reimers, Bradley, Stanton etc...all accessory players.
I'm waiting for Essendon* fans to howl and wail like we did when Parkin chose to recruit for the short term only...Sheedy will go from legend to villain in a real hurry....

Are these the same as non-core promises. Now dont those come around and bite you on the bum.

Wouldn't it be flowered if in two years time the AFL finished their review on why Victorian clubs are struggling and give Essendon* special Priority Picks to get them back up the ladder.

Wont happen because Ron Evans is dead - and their little special ride has now come to an end. :wink:

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Warby

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:10 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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Aren't Carlton so very lucky that they've got us to tell them all about recruiting?................................they'd be stuffed without us........... :-D

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Cazzesman

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:43 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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HELLAS BLUE wrote:

Warby wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

Bookmark this.

They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time.

Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.

Great call Warby. Though we cant stuff up every pick. I think the Bummers are well ahead of us in player development.

Why is that HP. How is the development of Dyson, Winderlich, Bradley, Slattery, Johns, Dempsey, Lee, Neagle, Laycock and Nash going after a 2 to 4 seasons any more advanced than some of ours. At the moment they are all bit players. Just as a number of ours are.

Monfries, Stanton and Lovett to a lesser extent are the only players to have some form of immediate impact from the Bombers young kids. The rest have had nil to limited impact at AFL level.

Regards Cazzesman

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jimmae

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:48 pm

Bruce Doull

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Don't worry about him Cazz, he seems to think the football media have an insight on player development.

Half of them can't even report on a bloody game.

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chubbyruss

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:44 pm

Wayne Johnston

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Does anyone know if we have any development coaches?

The filth have Brad Scott & Allan Richardson. Do we just have Mitchell?

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HELLAS BLUE

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:57 pm

Rod Ashman

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BlueIce wrote:

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

Warby wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

Bookmark this.

They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time.

Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.

Great call Warby. Though we cant stuff up every pick. I think the Bummers are well ahead of us in player development.

How are Bradley and Laycock developing?

I think thats a fair point you make there , though Laycocks career has been ruined by injuries so far. But surely you cant dispute Sheedy's ability to get the best out of young players , no matter how forward in their preparation they are? He's been doing it for years.

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jimmae

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:12 pm

Bruce Doull

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chubbyruss wrote:

Does anyone know if we have any development coaches?

The filth have Brad Scott & Allan Richardson. Do we just have Mitchell?

I think Mitchell is employed as such in the footy department, yes.

I'd also suggest that given no one in our ruck stocks is over 24, that Gary Dempsey is something of a development coach, and with the exception of Fevola & Whitnall, so is Terry Daniher.

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jimmae

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:14 pm

Bruce Doull

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HELLAS BLUE wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

Warby wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

Bookmark this.

They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time.

Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.

Great call Warby. Though we cant stuff up every pick. I think the Bummers are well ahead of us in player development.

How are Bradley and Laycock developing?

He did it with the Baby Bombers in 93, and that was it.

Everything since then has been drips and drabs. He's finally having to do it on a scale remotely similar to us and he's still propping up the team with Dad's Army and drafting physically mature players.

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Warby

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:18 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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He's lucky jim; that he's got Dodoro who is a great recruiter of young talent.

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jimmae

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:49 pm

Bruce Doull

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Warby wrote:

He's lucky jim; that he's got Dodoro who is a great recruiter of young talent.

Yeah right.

How long has Dodoro been around? Let's just go wild on the guess work and say as far back as 2001.

Here are his success stories in rebuilding the bombers:

Andrew Welsh - 2001 Pick 46 or so
Andrew Lovett - Rookie list (2003)

Forget about first round and early second round picks, they are a walk in the park in most drafts.

The rest have all been plodders propped up by Essendon*'s senior core, which will be virtually eroded in two seasons, if that.

Hoorah Adrian Dodoro, list rejuvenator extraordinaire.

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Kouta

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:01 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

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Warby wrote:

He's lucky jim; that he's got Dodoro who is a great recruiter of young talent.

Funny stuff! :roll:

I think Dodoro was only working part-time in recruiting until this year because he was involved in match day activities. This would explain a lot of his success and why he rated Ryder as the real number one! :garthp:

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Warby

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:14 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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We have to ask ourselves how Juzz Carlton/Blue Ice could ever survive in his happy happy world without........ :roll:

.......and...... :garthp:

......???

Answer?................he couldn't !!

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Warby

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:20 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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Adrian Dodoro has been the Bombers recruiter since 1997.

He is currently List Manager, as Merv Keane took over his post at the start of 2007.

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jimmae

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:32 pm

Bruce Doull

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Warby wrote:

Adrian Dodoro has been the Bombers recruiter since 1997.

He is currently List Manager, as Merv Keane took over his post at the start of 2007.

Ok, then I would add the recruitment of Peverill and Mark Johnson to the current list.

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TruBlueBrad

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:33 pm

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I think you guys have been warned before.

Cut out the personal attacks please.

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Headplant

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:52 pm

Robert Walls

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HELLAS BLUE wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

Warby wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

Bookmark this.

They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time.

Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.

Great call Warby. Though we cant stuff up every pick. I think the Bummers are well ahead of us in player development.

How are Bradley and Laycock developing?

Didn't we defeat Essendon* recently? :wink:

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HELLAS BLUE

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:11 pm

Rod Ashman

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Headplant wrote:

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

Warby wrote:

BlueIce wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

Bookmark this.

They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time.

Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.

Great call Warby. Though we cant stuff up every pick. I think the Bummers are well ahead of us in player development.

How are Bradley and Laycock developing?

Didn't we defeat Essendon* recently? :wink:

Yes but had they kicked straight early , Pagan may be gone by now. :wink:

If buts maybe's , i know and you're right , we do have a more talented list now , but only because they've recruited the way they have and also because we've bottomed out for 5 years.

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Headplant

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:34 pm

Robert Walls

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I couldn't resist that!

btw, I'm not arguing that our player development has necessarily been good ... but I'm not convinced Sheedy is the master developer he would have everyone believe. :wink:

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Kouta

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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:17 am

Alex Jesaulenko

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Warby wrote:

Adrian Dodoro has been the Bombers recruiter since 1997.

He is currently List Manager, as Merv Keane took over his post at the start of 2007.

You just found on that google.

This excerpt is from an Age article about Essendon*'s restructure so they must be the best in the business.

Quote:

Recruiting manager Adrian Dodoro, whose talent-spotting abilities are well regarded at the club, will be removed of his welfare duties, with the club hiring a new welfare manager, allowing Dodoro to concentrate fully on recruiting in what looms as the most critical draft and post-season period in the club's recent history.

Essendon*'s wish to have its recruiting manager solely focused on finding incoming talent is also evident in the club's decision to have Dodoro relinquish his match-day duties, when he sits on the interchange bench and helps the coaching panel.

If Essendon* are such good developers, why have they recruited experienced players from other clubs to "make ends meet"?

Name one KPP or ruckman Essendon* have drafted and developed into a top liner from 1998 onwards. It's still early to judge the 2005 and 2006 drafts.

We're developing Setanta, Thornton, Fisher and Waite in the KPP whilst they're pinching Michael to win them another flag.

TruBlueBrad wrote:

I think you guys have been warned before.

Cut out the personal attacks please.

I didn't launched a personal attack.

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HELLAS BLUE

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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:20 am

Rod Ashman

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BlueIce wrote:

[Name one KPP or ruckman Essendon* have drafted and developed into a top liner from 1998 onwards. It's still early to judge the 2005 and 2006 drafts.

When was David Hille recruited??

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