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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:33 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Rumour on BF that Kruze announcing his retirement tomorrow ...

Not surprised.
Still sad news if he does, it would've been good to see him play again.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Rumour on BF that Kruze announcing his retirement tomorrow ...



So sad.

Was hoping he would remain in a player/ coach role at 31 yo.
That way we could call on him if 2 rucks went down, unless he was able and good enough to take on No 1 ruck in 2021.

Love for Humphrey is huge. Loyal to the bone.

Only needed 11 more game for 200 and a Picture on the Wall at Headquarters.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:59 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Rumour on BF that Kruze announcing his retirement tomorrow ...



So sad.

Was hoping he would remain in a player/ coach role at 31 yo.
That way we could call on him if 2 rucks went down, unless he was able and good enough to take on No 1 ruck in 2021.

Love for Humphrey is huge. Loyal to the bone.

Only needed 11 more game for 200 and a Picture on the Wall at Headquarters.


I'm with you on that.

Someone wrote an article the other week that he should be kept in a "break glass in case of emergency" scenario. Meaning if TDK and Pitto went down we'd have a replacement. Guess with reduction in playing lists, that isn't a viable option.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Is Perryman from the Giants uncontracted? Seems like one of those under-rated but instant best 22 player who can find the thing and knows how to kick it. Just a solid footballer. They seem to have so many blokes OOC up there that there is a real opportunity to shake the tree.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:11 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Is Perryman from the Giants uncontracted?
Yep.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/462683/pay-the-perryman-before-he-gets-to-another-side


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:13 pm 
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snakehips wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Is Perryman from the Giants uncontracted?
Yep.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/462683/pay-the-perryman-before-he-gets-to-another-side



Don't Pay The Perryman :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:53 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
snakehips wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Is Perryman from the Giants uncontracted?
Yep.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/462683/pay-the-perryman-before-he-gets-to-another-side



Don't Pay The Perryman :wink:


pay him but not too much.

A HB line consisting of Perriman Weitering Docherty has me salivating.

or

Centreline consisting of Perriman Williams Walsh .....oo la la


Something good is going to happen this Trade period me thinks

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:26 pm 
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NAR.

(need another ruck)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:57 pm 
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It kinda depends on if we keep Casboult and if we decide to play one pure ruck.

If we keep Cas and play just the one ruck (TDK/Pitto), then the other is the back-up and there's no huge rush.

If we lose Casboult and play TDK in his spot (with Pitto first ruck), then yes, we need a other one immediately.

if we decide we want to play both of them in the one team rotating through the ruck and still keep Cas, then we also probably need one quickly.

The question then becomes: do we just pick up a ready-made at some point as a pure back-up? Or draft young with the hope that TDK is a 10-year option and Pitto a 6-year option, so the youngster will be a break-glass in case of emergency player until they're 23 at least?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:10 pm 
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Need another ruck?

I believe in having min 3 rucks on the list, max 4 on a list of 40-46.

I believe in a Grand Final/ Prelim 2 rucks are a necessity (insurance)
Always a good idea to have one developing too. Start looking.
Need another 2nd string ruck when Levi retires. Start looking.

With Kreuzer retired we have TDK, Pittonet and Levi (for probably 1 more year)

I have listed all the talls we could have in our/ my first 22 in 2020-21:

B: Weitering Marchbank
HB: Silvagni Plowman
R: TDK
C: Cripps Kemp Setterfield
HF: McKay
FF: Levi Charlie

EMERG: Pittonet ruck

Problem we had this year was when both Kreuzer and pitto were out injured and Levi was our KPF with Charlie injured.


Whilst we have Jones still going in 2021, Jack Silvagni isn't required at CHB (imo)
If Levi is not selected ahead of Gov, then Silvagni can replace Levi & Gov
Gov can train and play in the ressies for his career whilst he's free loading at our expense.
I haven't written him off yet.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:21 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Need another ruck?

I believe in having min 3 rucks on the list, max 4 on a list of 40-46.

I believe in a Grand Final/ Prelim 2 rucks are a necessity (insurance)
Always a good idea to have one developing too. Start looking.
Need another 2nd string ruck when Levi retires. Start looking.

With Kreuzer retired we have TDK, Pittonet and Levi (for probably 1 more year)

I have listed all the talls we could have in our/ my first 22 in 2020-21:

B: Weitering Marchbank
HB: Silvagni Plowman
R: TDK
C: Cripps Kemp Setterfield
HF: McKay
FF: Levi Charlie

EMERG: Pittonet ruck

Problem we had this year was when both Kreuzer and pitto were out injured and Levi was our KPF with Charlie injured.


Whilst we have Jones still going in 2021, Jack Silvagni isn't required at CHB (imo)
If Levi is not selected ahead of Gov, then Silvagni can replace Levi & Gov
Gov can train and play in the ressies for his career whilst he's free loading at our expense.
I haven't written him off yet.

I think Jack is pretty versatile but I'm not sure he can do this. :razz:

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 Post subject: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:04 am 
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Next year we will have three players who can easily play first ruck (TDK, Pittonet, Levi), plus a few who can cover in an emergency (Jones, Guv)

There’s no need to make any huge investment in another ruckman until we are consistently playing finals, so all we need is either a cheap top up from state league or another club or a young speculative pick or rookie. We have plenty of good or potentially good talls on the list.

Our primary targets for next year should be mids, mids and more mids. Until we have our midfield sorted out we don’t need to expend high picks or dollars on anything other than mids.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:16 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Need another ruck?

I believe in having min 3 rucks on the list, max 4 on a list of 40-46.

I believe in a Grand Final/ Prelim 2 rucks are a necessity (insurance)
Always a good idea to have one developing too. Start looking.
Need another 2nd string ruck when Levi retires. Start looking.

With Kreuzer retired we have TDK, Pittonet and Levi (for probably 1 more year)

I have listed all the talls we could have in our/ my first 22 in 2020-21:

B: Weitering Marchbank
HB: Silvagni Plowman
R: TDK
C: Cripps Kemp Setterfield
HF: McKay
FF: Levi Charlie

EMERG: Pittonet ruck

Problem we had this year was when both Kreuzer and pitto were out injured and Levi was our KPF with Charlie injured.


Whilst we have Jones still going in 2021, Jack Silvagni isn't required at CHB (imo)
If Levi is not selected ahead of Gov, then Silvagni can replace Levi & Gov
Gov can train and play in the ressies for his career whilst he's free loading at our expense.
I haven't written him off yet.

I think Jack is pretty versatile but I'm not sure he can do this. :razz:


I didn't think Jones could be a backman either.
I didn't think our FF in '87, a young kid called SOS would make a FB let alone FB of the century.
I didn't think TDK would have a hope in hell against Nic Nat.....

Its an opinion based industry, and I have no doubt he can make a success of that position.
He's only young, and very versatlile, and wouldn't stop giving his all like others do week in week out.

Some posters entertain the thought of Gov going back. Jack is better than him as a forward and player let alone a backman.

We have to find a replacement for Jones in the next 2-3 years. He turns 30 this February.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:03 pm 
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Lists are likely to be shortened so who knows what will come out of that.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:20 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Lists are likely to be shortened so who knows what will come out of that.



Not sure where I heard/ read it ... from 46 to 40.

I think the AFL put the idea out there low balling a number of 36 when covid first hit....go low and set the expectation then surprise higher. They are classic con men, Trump like crooks, that think we are all dumb because we are addicted to our teams. Arrogant pricks.

It may even stay the same or drop down 3 this year to 43 and the next 3 next year to 40. The AFL Commission has everyone guessing and lives and futures up in the air.

We can't have a full reserves team if we choose a stand alone team next year with 43 or 40 and that's not factoring the inevitable week to week injuries. I'm sure there will be top ups available, but they would be exactly that, fill ins, to probably play a role, at best.

How's the form of the AFL Commission? Simple answer: Not good. Absolute low lives. Not because of issues constantly raied from nepotism, syphoning, sexual harrasment and worse, not just because of the bullying of staff and suppliers, not because they stuffed up the game's rules and dismissed the philosophy of the great game and are in denial. Not an empathy gene amongst their collective bodies.

With 2 games to go in a compressed competition which requires planning for resting players etc, no one knows the final list number for next year. As a result forcing players to make the call about their future themselves now to retire or move, to avoid embarrassment for club and player. Clubs don't know who to cut; they couldn't exactly. If they do cut players to meet the new dimensions of list sizes, they do it after the season, takes away from the fabric of club culture, the connection between fans and players and clubs when they are not given the opportunity to show the respect they deserve with a planned farewell or final game, next week.

This situation is deplorable, and as I said, this boys club needs to be disbanded and re elected democratically, or by better methods than the current because the current lot are keeping their power, or power in general, amongst the boys, who have secrets and dirt on each other. They will never make each other accountable under this situation.

The positions of the Executive have become unethical, undemocratic, corrupted and therefore untenable.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:22 pm 
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Anyone know what Effen-don* paid GWS to get Saad on their list?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Anyone know if SPS has been tried in a FP?

With the way he moved last week and his ability to stop time, create space, spot options, along with his elite forward craft (as stated before being drafted) he could be the missing link already on our list.

I doubt we will pay Swans what they want for Papley.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:49 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Anyone know what Effen-don* paid GWS to get Saad on their list?


In exchange for Saad, the Bombers have traded a future second round draft pick to the Suns.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:02 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Anyone know if SPS has been tried in a FP?

With the way he moved last week and his ability to stop time, create space, spot options, along with his elite forward craft (as stated before being drafted) he could be the missing link already on our list.

I doubt we will pay Swans what they want for Papley.


The challenge is for SPS to follow up this week. As I've said before, he is our best wet weather player because he handles the conditions so well. His skills are almost bulletproof no matter the conditions and he is beautifully balanced.
With wet conditions, most other players fumble and slip around which gives him the time and space to play great footy. His challenge is when the sun shines, the pace is on, other players aren't fumbling and everyone is back on an even keel. He gets found out for intensity.

As for your original questions I'd like to se him tried deep forward because he's strong overhead and we aren't extracting his value at the moment. But with Nick Newman injured, I cant see them releasing him from the back half.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:56 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Anyone know if SPS has been tried in a FP?

With the way he moved last week and his ability to stop time, create space, spot options, along with his elite forward craft (as stated before being drafted) he could be the missing link already on our list.

I doubt we will pay Swans what they want for Papley.


The challenge is for SPS to follow up this week. As I've said before, he is our best wet weather player because he handles the conditions so well. His skills are almost bulletproof no matter the conditions and he is beautifully balanced. Coz he's slows things down, and conditions slow everyone else too, n those conditions he knows he can execute a pass from a stand still. I just don't like him taking that for granted in the backline, plus he's an offensive weapon...so the legend goes.

With wet conditions, most other players fumble and slip around which gives him the time and space to play great footy. His challenge is when the sun shines, the pace is on, other players aren't fumbling and everyone is back on an even keel. He gets found out for intensity.

As for your original questions I'd like to se him tried deep forward because he's strong overhead and we aren't extracting his value at the moment. But with Nick Newman injured, I cant see them releasing him from the back half.


If Nick comes back in good nick...as good as his game vs Swans... 3 Brownlow votes n all...what a luxury.

I'd love Papley, but I feel theres a silver lining somewhere and as a small forward it could be him

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