I wouldn't be getting rid of Harry, the kid has serious talent, just needs to work on his kicking (not that I am playing this down).
TDK is a ruck first, forward second, so plan for him as a ruck not a forward.
Charlie is a star.
JSOS has talent, I see him as a HFF with the odd run onball.
McGovern has been disappointing. He is the one who should make way for Charlie. I would play him down back, he is a terrific mark of the ball so if he could be half as good as his bro down there it is still a decent result. I actually think we lack quality down back, and as disappointing as McGovern has been I think we all concede he has high end talent.

I disagree with the underlined aspect of your post. He is an exceptional jump at the ball but he has hard hands and too often drops it. He has footy smarts and is an excellent team player but the onus is on him to start holding his marks. That's when he'll become a valuable acquisition

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harry played wat 40 games and has got work to do on his kicking and then there is hipwood close to 100 games and still questionable at goal kicking .With the gov he has good acceleration of the mark why can't our forward coach exploit this and work out a game plan to suit .eg stephenson on plowman

Fair call, he has dropped some marks this year, no doubt about that... but I would argue that is just development. I mean he is not like Levi who was clunking them from day one, but he has also been very impressive in the air at times this year IMO. Right now in my view he is doing very well at finding the ball. He has had lots of shots on goal of late.

He is listed in the Best <22s in the AFL and rightfully so.

I think the thing he really needs to work on is his goal kicking, esp set shot from around 40-50m when fatigued. I am not convinced he has the best kicking style but that probably cannot be changed much now. But he needs to get fitter so he can drill those kicks he has worked hard to be on the end of.

Why can't players kick straight, after over 100 years.

Agree.

As a kid I was a terrible footy player. All I could do decently was kick.

It is so simple. Line up straight at goal, run straight at goal, drop ball straight on foot, foot rises straight at goal, ball goes straight through goal.

Now if a kid can work that out why can't grown men? Lloyd could do it, Rocca could do it, Lockett could do it, I remember McKenna and Dunstall doing it. Great goalkickers.

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"Get ready, Teddy - you're on": Ron Barassi half time 1970 Grand Final

But it looks so cool running into an open goal and kicking a banana along the ground around three defenders.

Even if you don’t get the goal.

Ask Murph.

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I agree TDK will be our first ruck. He will be a star ruckman.

I have a team I'm building for 2021 and beyond.
The team consists of everyone available under 26 (this year).
These are my locks for the future spots and I have plenty of gaps to fill.


After Jones retires from our list I have:

FB Weitering 193
CHB Silvagni 194 (Jack)
Marchbank 193

Ben Silvagni 196 moves really well from what Ive seen in the flesh, a real natural footballer with left and right pegs working, and good mark, but Jack at 194cm can run all day, hence follow a running CHF (like Nick Reiwoldt 193), can take a mark and has serious footy smarts.

I agree with BV about Gov. Great jumper. Seriously good. Really fast off the mark (when he goes). Really quick. But hard hands. He's 26yo. If he hasn't found the sweet spot more than not by now, I think its always going to be a problem. He needs to do a hell of a lot more than he's currently doing to be worthy of a spot in the 22 in a couple of years imo.

Remember there's always a soft spot for Gov with Teague. I've though about Gov 190, for the backline to do the Jones thing with his fist from a high vantage (from jumping) but Jones has 8cm on him so I'm not sure about that.

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I thought you were fantastic in the 1970 Grand final.

The argument is that with the introduction of GWS and GCS the talent pool for really skilled footballers has been diluted, and, a lot of talented footballers have been overlooked for athletes. Would Dunstall even be considered as an 18yo if he played TAC? Lockett? Doubt it. The game is poorer for it.

Whilst the AFL Commission keeps serving their usual Trump like line "the tv ratings tell us the game is fine" the game will continue to suffer with horrible kicking for goal and no opposite foot.

As for the rules of the game, the List Manager/ Recruiters can only recruit after they know what the rule changes for the year will be; sometimes in the last 20 years rule changes are made after the Trade period and recruiters complain they wouldve selected someone different if they knew in advance (eg limiting rotations, but no one knew to what number till following February).

My point is recruitment for the long term will always be flawed whilst this AFL Commission (and this fool Steve Hocking) keep wanting to mark their mark on the game; creating a product unrecognisable to our forefathers who would liken the game to rugby union). Ive played both codes, and these days its more like rugby union in the mawls/ conetsted ball in the chaos and congestion for minutes on end in the hope it bubbles out, than it is Australian Rules Football.

Football Ratings does not equal a better game of footy in the H & A, or the first round of finals. You have to wait for the Grand Final and Prelim Finals to watch skillful footy. Even then you notice how many athletes are running around with really avearge skills by foor or by hand, and sadly by both.

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Professional soccer players have the round ball under a spell. I dunno. I reckon it goes back to grass roots.

You're knocking it out of the park with your posts lately bondi. This is on point.

You know who I think of when you talk about pure footballers. Not athletes, just footy smarts and exquisite skill. Sam Mitchell.

Not quick, not big... shouldn't have been as good as he was. Seen him drop the ball as though he was gonna kick on his left, then change his mind mid drop, strike it with his right foot and hit a forward lace out. Couldn't have done it better with Caviar and a silver teaspoon.

That's a footballer. Dow can run all flower' day......... but..........

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I gotta agree Robbie RE Bondi............the blokes on fire lately.Cant argue with him.He covers all bases...............mind you,i reckon there is a bevy of great posters on this site but right now Bondi is the form analysts dream.

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the tv ratings are up coz everyone is locked down and theres bugger all else to do or watch. i wonder what the ratings would be like if we could all go to the pub or shopping? then the flog hocking would be changing the game so bloody fast our heads would spin

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I hope you watched the Crows Giants game before our game against the Swans
If McGovern plays liked McAdam did tonight people would be in shock.
Desire 100% effort
Not given any favours in his journey
That’s logical
Even if he plays shit next week he will be 100% committed

OMG

I hope you're wrong keogh.
I keep saying it after reading your posts about McAdam vs the cost of Gov.
But its done.

I hope he can resurrect himself.
McAdam is a beauty. Lets see if he's a one year wonder like Gov is so far, and it hasn't been at Carlton.

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I was talking about McGovern, not Harry. That's who I underlined and who I referred to.

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Thought McAdam played his best game yesterday and Gov played his worst.

I still don’t think you’re understanding that I’m not arguing against McGovern’s form being poor or about McAdam’s level of commitment though; I was saying that the assumption that because McAdam was overlooked for a couple of drafts he would therefore have more commitment than Gov (who also happened to be overlooked a couple of times), doesn’t make any sense. I stand by that, no matter how their respective careers go from here.

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Despite BV's misgivings about Govs hands I like the set up described above. Gov is an excellent kick and would create really well out of defence.

Rumour on BF that Kruze announcing his retirement tomorrow ...

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Mc Adam travelled from Hall Creek to Sturt in Adelaide to play for Sturt and was working full time as an apprentice. He choose to do this himself. I dare say he has worked a lot harder than McGovern off the field as well to get where he has and shown a bit more self resilience and initiative
I didn’t like Mc Governs parting comments to a club that gave him a chance at AFL in the first place.
And he wasn’t a superstar anyway
Mc Govern plays like he deserves a game no matter how shit he plays.
Mc Adam plays like its his last game.
Wonder why
To some degree you can judge someone’s character by what they have done