Sticks: The Grand Illusion / MLG: Use Your Illusion II?

JohnM · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:52 am

AK43 wrote:

I just shook my head when I read that. Why not just say "we share the concerns that have been expressed by a number of other clubs regarding the Swans and Franklin" or something along those lines, instead he invokes the "level playing field" which given Carlton's not too distant history just invites ridicule.

Because he's not smart enough to express himself properly.
That's why.

I just don't listen to him any more. Watching Sticks pretend to be a Chairman is like watching a guy die on stage during amateur night at a comedy club.

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

More embarrassment. You'd laugh if it wasn't so serious. Least no one really takes much notice.

This thread is so depressing.

Emotions swing between anger and hopelessness.

Where's the light at the end of the tunnel? Everyday with these monkeys in charge is another day lost; another day other clubs get further in front.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

kennyhunter wrote:

More embarrassment. You'd laugh if it wasn't so serious. Least no one really takes much notice.

This thread is so depressing.

Emotions swing between anger and hopelessness.

Where's the light at the end of the tunnel? Everyday with these monkeys in charge is another day lost; another day other clubs get further in front.

emotions today - embarrassment

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

The solution is simple:

Find out why the other 12 directors keep voting Kernahan continuously as President .

Punter22 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:20 pm

What... you haven't been reading this thread? I think the reason for that is quite clear.

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

Punter22 wrote:

What... you haven't been reading this thread? I think the reason for that is quite clear.

yeah nah help me out :smile:

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17210

Mosquito Fleet wrote:

The solution is simple:

Find out why the other 12 directors keep voting Kernahan continuously as President .

Easy....because he doesn't rock their boat yacht.

And by 'their' I mean Bruce Mathieson (who is represented on the board by his nephew Craig) and the Pratts (Jeannie and her son-in-law Ruffy Geminder) and to a lesser extent Zac Fried, Richard Newton and Marcus Clarke. Adrian Gleeson is Kernahan's lap dog and before you know it there are 7 board members who are voting in the same bloke. Fahour, Lee, Sayers and Trainor would probably approve of change (but mightn't admit that) and LoGiudice...well - I have no idea where his loyalties lie and I have no idea why LoGiudice is on the board.

Punter22 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:58 pm

Doc, by your own post I think the answer is clear. He doesn't rock the yacht.

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

DocSherrin wrote:

Mosquito Fleet wrote:

The solution is simple:

Find out why the other 12 directors keep voting Kernahan continuously as President .

Easy....because he doesn't rock their boat yacht.

And by 'their' I mean Bruce Mathieson (who is represented on the board by his nephew Craig) and the Pratts (Jeannie and her son-in-law Ruffy Geminder) and to a lesser extent Zac Fried, Richard Newton and Marcus Clarke. Adrian Gleeson is Kernahan's lap dog and before you know it there are 7 board members who are voting in the same bloke. Fahour, Lee, Sayers and Trainor would probably approve of change (but mightn't admit that) and LoGiudice...well - I have no idea where his loyalties lie and I have no idea why LoGiudice is on the board.

OK thanks. So why do they need the boat/yacht not to be rocked?

Punter22 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:16 pm

My understanding (based purely on the insights provided on this thread/site), they are happy to provide the club money. In return for that, they require their positions on the board (ie influence), and no significant challenge to that influence. They are obviously happy with the status quo and/or have been brainwashed into being happy with it by Swann/Sticks, and et voila - in no time at all you have a stagnant, bloated board with no drive or passion for innovation, and no commitment to real success.

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:37 pm

AK43 wrote:

I just shook my head when I read that. Why not just say "we share the concerns that have been expressed by a number of other clubs regarding the Swans and Franklin" or something along those lines, instead he invokes the "level playing field" which given Carlton's not too distant history just invites ridicule.

What is sticks complaining about now?
Swans didn't kill anyone.... Did they?

grrofunger · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:54 pm

complete joke of a club

Molly · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:04 pm

So my question is this.

The Pratts and the Mathiesons are successful business people. Very successful. Now it's all right to say they want the club as their personal fiefdom because they hand over the cash. But surely at some stage they actually want some success as part of handing over the cash?

What do they want control of? A middling club falling further behind? Or a club that gets it's act together both on and off the field?

I just don't understand why their passion seems to be leading them to accept mediocrity.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:11 pm

what mediocrity?

they dont get it

Molly · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:15 pm

grrofunger wrote:

what mediocrity?

they dont get it

Surely they can see it grrofunger? I mean you don't make the cash they have by being idiots. They'd probably be friends with Frank Costa too... so should know what success looks like.

Are they honestly sitting around thinking it is about to fall into place? That the two premierships by 2015 is about to happen?

grrofunger · **Posted:** Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:19 pm

i honestly dont believe they can see it

you can make millions at one thing yet be completely retarded at something else

camel · **Posted:** Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:23 am

People's Elbow wrote:

"All this footy club has ever wanted forever has been an equal playing field" - um... err, Sticks, you may wanna walk that one back a little...

Oh dear.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:27 am

JohnM wrote:

AK43 wrote:

I just shook my head when I read that. Why not just say "we share the concerns that have been expressed by a number of other clubs regarding the Swans and Franklin" or something along those lines, instead he invokes the "level playing field" which given Carlton's not too distant history just invites ridicule.

Because he's not smart enough to express himself properly.
That's why.

I just don't listen to him any more. Watching Sticks pretend to be a Chairman is like watching a guy die on stage during amateur night at a comedy club.

John, you're usually bang on the money with everything you say. You're admired and respected for that. But I'm sorry, I can't agree with your comment.

Sticks would get a standing ovation if he took his AFL club president schtick to an amateur comedy night!

It's when his schtick is in the context of the real world where it's no laughing matter.

Mosquito Fleet · **Joined:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm **Posts:** 2477

camelboy wrote:

JohnM wrote:

AK43 wrote:

I just shook my head when I read that. Why not just say "we share the concerns that have been expressed by a number of other clubs regarding the Swans and Franklin" or something along those lines, instead he invokes the "level playing field" which given Carlton's not too distant history just invites ridicule.

Because he's not smart enough to express himself properly.
That's why.

I just don't listen to him any more. Watching Sticks pretend to be a Chairman is like watching a guy die on stage during amateur night at a comedy club.

John, you're usually bang on the money with everything you say. You're admired and respected for that. But I'm sorry, I can't agree with your comment.

Sticks would get a standing ovation if he took his AFL club president schtick to an amateur comedy night!

It's when his schtick is in the context of the real world where it's no laughing matter.

I don't listen to Sticks any more - too embarrassing and damaging to our declining brand...

club29 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:39 am

Punter22 wrote:

My understanding (based purely on the insights provided on this thread/site), they are happy to provide the club money. In return for that, they require their positions on the board (ie influence), and no significant challenge to that influence. They are obviously happy with the status quo and/or have been brainwashed into being happy with it by Swann/Sticks, and et voila - in no time at all you have a stagnant, bloated board with no drive or passion for innovation, and no commitment to real success.

Even Micky was going on about how good the club was and how the people there are as good as any he has seen at Collingwood and Westcoast.

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