please explain then mr. ideas.

the fact that hartlett got goals kicked on him because he was in the ruck, that was the players fault, nothing to do with the coaching.
the fact that maxwell was left unaccountable for 4 quarters of footy to chop off anything to Fev, players fault again, coaching was good.
the fact that our midfielders ran around like headless chooks, no clear system to get the ball to the other end, players fault, clearly coach told them to do better.
the fact that almost every transition from defence to attack involves a couple of chip kicks between thronton and bower, then to kick it long to Fisher or Kreuzer 80m out on the wing, resulting in a turnover, players fault??

We lost because we don't run hard enough both ways.

Is Ratten instructing the players not to get their hands on the footy?

First Quarter
Collingwood had 32 more disposals and outscored us by 23 points. Scored 5 goals

Second Quarter
We had 29 more disposals, they outscored us by 4 points and only kicked 2 goals

Third Quarter
They had 4 more disposals and we outscored them by 2 points. They only kicked 1 goal

Fourth Quarter
They had 32 more disposals again and outscored us by 29 points. They kicked 6 goals.

Pretty simple analysis, but when we're working and getting our hands on the ball we at least kept pace with them.

We lost because we don't run hard enough both ways.

Is Ratten instructing the players not to get their hands on the footy?

First Quarter
Collingwood had 32 more disposals and outscored us by 23 points. Scored 5 goals

Second Quarter
We had 29 more disposals, they outscored us by 4 points and only kicked 2 goals

Third Quarter
They had 4 more disposals and we outscored them by 2 points. They only kicked 1 goal

Fourth Quarter
They had 32 more disposals again and outscored us by 29 points. They kicked 6 goals.

Pretty simple analysis, but when we're working and getting our hands on the ball we at least kept pace with them.

We have 7 good older players with a future of 3-5 good years: Fevola, Judd, Thornton, Waite, Simpson, Carrazzo, Setanta (the last few are a stretch). We have 13 younger players with the talent to play 7+ years if they're good enough / improve enough: Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, Joseph, Bower, Jamison, Austin, Kreuzer, Hampson, Warnock, Yarran, Betts, Grigg. Maybe add Browne, Robinson O'Keeffe and you have a group that should contend in 2010-2012 for September silverware.

The thing is, there are bigger, richer, hungrier, more professional clubs out there doing their best to do the same, yet you assume that a drover's dog could get this bunch over the line for a flag. Don't worry, even Melbourne, WCE and Freo will be good teams in 2-4 years.

I can't remember a year with fewer competitive teams. We've won one extra than last year, but apart from Judd getting fitness back and natural development of Kreuz, Hammer, Murph etc, plus the addition of Joseph, have we improved as a team? Flower it's been marginal.

Our game plan is simple, kick it to Fev when going inside 50. If the kick sprays off the boot then hopefully Fish or someone else marks it. The cheer squad came up with that one and Ratts liked it.

I seriously think we don't have the cattle and it is not the coach. Someone nailed it on the head, we look lazy and don't run hard. If our players worked as hard as Hammer we would win more games.

We are not very good at tackling and we need to learn to take an arm out when we do so they can't dispose = holding the ball = free kick. We tackle but teams easily break free.

Maybe when the young players get some strength our tackling will be a lot more harder. Houlihans effort to tackle Leon on the boundary was Aus Kick stuff.

Coaching was poor last night but Rattens not Robinson Crusoe. Malthouse performed poorly last time we played. Clarkson has poor nights, it happens unfortunately. As long as Ratten is honest in his self assessment and gets a kick up the arse from Swann and co. we move on.

Unfortunately too many players performed well below their best. Murphys disposal and defensive game was atrocious. Scotland got plenty of it but expected everyone else to pick up his player. I dont know how many times we put the ball over our teammates head or 2 metres in front of them.
That's not coaching. Our players practice their kicking as much as anyone. They've also shown in the past that they can use the ball efficiently.

Last night they were lazy, selfish and undisciplined. If I were Ratten I'd have them standing in the bay at 5 o'clock this morning and flog them on the track this week. The message needs to go out very quickly that inept performances are no longer accepted.

Good post, we kick it to Fev because there's no one else and poor Eddie has to try and be a marking forward. Ratts has tried to find other forward options, hence Cloke on the forward line and grooming Setanta as a forward (with some success when he's played of late).

Last night we were lazy, didn't run, and this can't be the coaches fault. Also, these players are amongst the best in the land and should hit targets, and I don't really think players not hitting targets is entirely the coaches' fault.

Ratts is responsible for the overall strategy, but this is limited with the cattle in the paddock

Can someone explain to me why Grigg started on Heath Shaw? and why they persist trying to use him as a run with player?