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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:11 pm 
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Don't need to form a ticket of 13.
Don't need a new constitution...needs some minor changes, but on the whole it's fine.

Need a new President. Need some transparency. Need some energy. Drive. Accountability. Some competent board members are already there...getting rid of the dead-wood would be a start.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:48 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Don't need to form a ticket of 13.
Don't need a new constitution...needs some minor changes, but on the whole it's fine.

Need a new President. Need some transparency. Need some energy. Drive. Accountability. Some competent board members are already there...getting rid of the dead-wood would be a start.


The present Constitution provides for no more than 13 Directors. . That is why we have Clubs within Clubs. The Carlton Board is bigger than the Board of the Reserve Bank and BHP Billiton from my last check. Allowing Directors 4 terms of 3 years gives 12 years, which promotes dead wood. If A Director cannot force proper meaningful change by 3 to 5 years, they have no idea and they should be moved on. Its not about having money and using the money to influence decisions within the Club. Its about having the best people in the Club making the right decisions. Its also about corporate governance - the Constitution should provide for the actual functions of each Director including Business, Finance, Football, Membership etc, not about making up numbers. Its also about allowing the Members to fully vote Directors on the Board, like Geelong for example, not subject to the invitation from existing Directors to new Directors.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:20 am 
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Hands up those who are prepared to move on from the Pratt/Matheson era of control and ownership ?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:04 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Hands up those who are prepared to move on from the Pratt/Matheson era of control and ownership ?



Waiting for someone who can enunciate a clear vision for the future direction of the club to put up their hand and say they are prepared to do the job.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:06 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Hands up those who are prepared to move on from the Pratt/Matheson era of control and ownership ?



Waiting for someone who can enunciate a clear vision for the future direction of the club to put up their hand and say they are prepared to do the job.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:21 pm 
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Hands up those who are prepared to move on from the Pratt/Matheson era of control and ownership ?


It's the $6 million question. That's how much debt Greg Swann says we have. Bruce has gifted us some pokie venues in order to pay off the debt and in early 2012, Sticks said the club hoped to have the bulk of the debt paid off within 5 years. Since then, they've paid off around $750,000 a year. So it seems we're just servicing the debt.

So the Football Club's position seems to be that the debt only becomes an issue if servicing the debt puts constraints on other parts of the business. If it is not a constraint to Carlton being able to spend more money on the football department and run at a profit then it is not a problem. Of course to do this, you need to up the revenue coming in to the place every year.

And that's where you and I come into the equation. If last seasons message was 'In order to get to the MCG, we need as many members as possible', it won't be long before we hear 'In order to pay off the debt, we need as many members as possible'...and around we go in a big circle. Again.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:30 pm 
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The view the club has taken has been rather than pay off debt they've increased spend in the football department. Fair enough, the debt isn't an issue as long as you can service it.

The problem is where they've spent the money. Equipment and facilities are okay, but we spent money on a coaching structure, including a stoppages coach, that didn't work out and this year instead of having a decent coaching structure we had to do it on the cheap while we paid out contracts for the old one.

Lets hope they get their spend right for next season.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:37 pm 
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harker wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
harker wrote:
Hawthorn were going to merge with Melbourne not so long ago.................nek minnit............premierships are flowing.

Things need to change and fast but they can be done. Are we up to it?


Someone has to form a ticket of 13 and wipe the entire board off the map.
We need an independent review by Don Argus or someone similar.
We need a new constitution. The current deadlock in the board is the result of a dinosaur document. The recent amendments were just a side show of peripheral issues.


It's always someone else. Someone should do this and someone should do that.

We have no faith or more to the point, no inclination to push people power. That's always what someone else does but not us..........we'll just complain instead.

I remember the great feeling of people power the night we ousted Elliott. To me, there was a great spirit despite the dramatic circumstances and i thought we were finally going to become a club that valued its members, even become a community club.
We lost our way.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:13 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
harker wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
harker wrote:
Hawthorn were going to merge with Melbourne not so long ago.................nek minnit............premierships are flowing.

Things need to change and fast but they can be done. Are we up to it?


Someone has to form a ticket of 13 and wipe the entire board off the map.
We need an independent review by Don Argus or someone similar.
We need a new constitution. The current deadlock in the board is the result of a dinosaur document. The recent amendments were just a side show of peripheral issues.


It's always someone else. Someone should do this and someone should do that.

We have no faith or more to the point, no inclination to push people power. That's always what someone else does but not us..........we'll just complain instead.

I remember the great feeling of people power the night we ousted Elliott. To me, there was a great spirit despite the dramatic circumstances and i thought we were finally going to become a club that valued its members, even become a community club.
We lost our way.

It was a moment of pride for sure, PPW.

It gave the members a real sense of responsibility and ownership.

With all the unelected board appointments that followed, to me that sense of responsibility and ownership was taken away, again.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:40 pm 
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Members dont need a sense of ownership.... the Oligarchs who might as well own the club need a "circle of trust" to make this club work.....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:45 pm 
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If the rumours that are abounding already during this trade period are anything to go by, this administration is planning some big fish to deflect any undue attention between now and the AGM in December. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:11 pm 
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Gab wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Slight change of tack:

Does any one get the Carlton Media App on their mobile?

Does the Club look like a dinosaur living in past glories?

On Grand Final week, we have videos of 1970, 1979, 1981, 1892, 1987 Grand Finals.

Does any one think, that the Club admin are just desperate trying to make Carlton relevant for its Members during Grand Final week?



In the history of grand final week we are far more relevant than many others have been over the years, would you prefer what clubs like St Kilda and the Bulldogs have to offer up at this time of year?

Until we have another Premiership to celebrate they are absolutely relevant. Other clubs like to fete their past champion teams, i don't see why we shouldn't as well considering we have much more to celebrate than most other clubs do.

As much as none of us likes where we are at the moment these things are cyclical as well, we have had 23 year droughts
between premierships twice previously in our history, this one will pass as well and that next premiership will be all that much sweeter and appreciated because of it.

St Kilda had to wait 70 years for their first flag and have been waiting almost another 50 for their second, i'll take our record and 'relevance' to grand final week any day of the week and will put our record of success up proudly against any other club's.

Our time will come again, granted it may never again match the era that was experienced between 68 and 95 but it will come.


I'm sure Richmond felt the same way. 33 years later.....


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:52 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Gab wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Slight change of tack:

Does any one get the Carlton Media App on their mobile?

Does the Club look like a dinosaur living in past glories?

On Grand Final week, we have videos of 1970, 1979, 1981, 1892, 1987 Grand Finals.

Does any one think, that the Club admin are just desperate trying to make Carlton relevant for its Members during Grand Final week?



In the history of grand final week we are far more relevant than many others have been over the years, would you prefer what clubs like St Kilda and the Bulldogs have to offer up at this time of year?

Until we have another Premiership to celebrate they are absolutely relevant. Other clubs like to fete their past champion teams, i don't see why we shouldn't as well considering we have much more to celebrate than most other clubs do.

As much as none of us likes where we are at the moment these things are cyclical as well, we have had 23 year droughts
between premierships twice previously in our history, this one will pass as well and that next premiership will be all that much sweeter and appreciated because of it.

St Kilda had to wait 70 years for their first flag and have been waiting almost another 50 for their second, i'll take our record and 'relevance' to grand final week any day of the week and will put our record of success up proudly against any other club's.

Our time will come again, granted it may never again match the era that was experienced between 68 and 95 but it will come.


I'm sure Richmond felt the same way. 33 years later.....



Nah, no comparison between the two clubs to be had over a long period of their histories.

If you choose to be negative rather than take the positives that's fine, i believe that with the right people involved and the right decisions being made we will once again be successful.

We have appointed our first decent coach since Parkin's time, we need to sort out the playing list ( which i believe will start to happen during this off season, at least we seem to have a fairly clear idea of what we need ) and the administration of the club ( this probably needed to be done first but still needs addressing).

Like it or not it's probably going to take at least a good 5 - 7 years to get to get this club back up there on all of the required levels.

Whilst the primary focus should firmly be on the task at hand that doesn't mean that you don't pay respect to our great history or celebrate it at the appropriate times.

Nobody can fix the mistakes of the past decade in retrospect, they should not be forgotten but they should not be allowed to stop us from moving forward and doing the right things now and into the future either.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:29 am 
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AGRO wrote:
If the rumours that are abounding already during this trade period are anything to go by, this administration is planning some big fish to deflect any undue attention between now and the AGM in December. :wink:


One that's already rotting at the head...or in our case, ankles

The only big fish I want to see is Sticks' exit

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:27 am 
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October 1 2011

Carlton Football Club Board
Five Year Plan

1. Get Malthouse
2. Use Mick to get Thomas and a few more Pies people over
3. Add a couple of board members to make it look like we're doing something
4. Plan the 150th celebrations
5. Cross fingers, hope for the best

Thomas has been planned from the start. Doubt a bad medical will deter us.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:06 am 
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Wonder if Mike Fitzpatrick is ready for a return to Club footy?
He'd get my vote.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:17 am 
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Wonder if Mike Fitzpatrick is ready for a return to Club footy?
He'd get my vote.

I doubt anyone who knows all the inner workings (and dirty secrets) of the AFL would be welcome in any club role now.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:21 am 
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"All this footy club has ever wanted forever has been an equal playing field" - um... err, Sticks, you may wanna walk that one back a little...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:22 am 
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I saw that this morning and just giggled. Surely he's trolling the world now.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:44 am 
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I just shook my head when I read that. Why not just say "we share the concerns that have been expressed by a number of other clubs regarding the Swans and Franklin" or something along those lines, instead he invokes the "level playing field" which given Carlton's not too distant history just invites ridicule.


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