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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:47 pm 
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Just read a few more pearls of wisdom on our Board page:


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He was an Australian junior and schoolboy champion at middle distance and cross-country,


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Ruffy was appointed Victoria's first Honorary Consul to the Republic of South Africa in July 2006

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:53 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:46 am 
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But he ran the South Dragons!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:27 pm 
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club29 wrote:
You guys have got to get it happening. For years we have been hearing about it on here but nothing changes at the top.

Could it be that talking it up on fansites is not overly effective in forcing change?

If you want it bad enough i think it is time you took the next step.


It's easier said than done. You have to be smart about it and you need influential allies. If a handful of members ark up prior to an AGM it gets nowhere. The way to go about it is through the media. Kernahan hates criticism...especially when it's delivered directly at him. So a Caro piece in The Age, a follow up dig on one of the programs she appears on in both TV and radio...perhaps another journo going along for the ride - which shouldn't be hard because Carlton sells newspapers.

But be mindful that the club is controlled by Bruce Mathieson and Pratt monies. It doesn't take much for Bruce Mathieson to contact a few journos of his own and before you know it a headline appears saying 'Billionaire will withdraw Carlton cash if board spilled'. Carlton members have been hamstrung. For years we were denied a proper vote of board members and now it sits at a ridiculous 13 while the same promises are made year after year.

Also need to be mindful that Kernahan can't go on after 2014. The Constitution prevents it. Most Carlton members are very blasé about what goes on at board level. The only chance he goes is if he gets ousted at the October board meeting. There are rumblings, but nothing concrete. No one wants to rock the boat because they fear an 'Et tu, Brute?!' scenario.

I'll repeat what I said a while ago. Do you know what each of our 13 board members are responsible for? What areas of their expertise are they using? Take a look at the Bulldogs board. Very transparent. I know what they do. And therefore I know why they're there.

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/club/governance/board

Now look at the Carlton board. http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

Ahmed Fahour has been there a year - yet still has a 'more detailed bio soon' next to his name. Similarly Craig Mathieson. They're aware of it.

Jeanne Pratt's bio reads like a 'This is Your Life' script (it should be noted that Jeanne is also a mother and grandmother), yet nothing about what area she oversees as a board member at Carlton.

We do know that in 2008, Richard Newton was appointed chair of the Audit & Finance Committee - but is that still his role? Who would know, particularly when Marcus Clarke's bio states that he has 'has a particular interest in the development of an elite training facility for the Club'...Wow! Sounds fantasti...what...what? Hang on...we have one of those!

Zac Fried 'most recently played a key role in the redevelopment of VISY Park for the club.'....most recently obviously meaning 2009.

Mark LoGiudice gets an interesting bio. This is the director who prior to being a board member, went into business with Chris Judd, then went to exhaustive lengths to keep Judd's $500,000 investment in his hotel and pokies concealed. Then he becomes a director (not voted on by members mind you) and then he wants his money back...to make matters infinitely worse - Carlton use LoGiudice as a spokeman for the launch of a Responsible Gambling Awareness Program in May of this year? Oh boy...it stinks.

Mr. LoGiudice...I trust you are paying for the privilege to sit on my football clubs' board? What exactly do you do on the board? Can we please have some transparency here?

...need I go on? Here's an idea Carlton. Treat the fans like investors (they are). Treat potential fans like potential investors (they are). Treat me like a direct debit that forks over cash every year because my heart bleeds navy blue and my head will soon put a stop to it. Show me you care. Show me you're professional. Tell me why you're on the board. Tell me the reasons I should 'invest'. Act like you're a multi-million dollar business - because I think you've forgotten that you are.



This club is [REDACTED]. It's beyond a joke. Why can't we get someone to get Caro to print that?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:13 pm 
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so how did the review go ?

what recommendations will the board act on ?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:44 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
so how did the review go ?

what recommendations will the board act on ?


Which review?

The Bear Gleeson/Sticks Kernahan 'We're Carlton **** the rest' review?

Or the Sticks Kernahan 'Let's not do anything too drastic, after all we've got our 150th to celebrate next year' review?

Or the Sticks Kernahan 'No-one in the entire Australian business community could do a better job of running this club than me: Sticks Kernahan' review?

Or the Greg Swann 'The Collingwood 2.0 Plan: our blueprint for becoming what Collingwood was a decade ago before other clubs passed them by' review?

Or the Jeannie Pratt 'Sticks is lovely man and if you want the Pratt money tap to keep flowing we'd better end this Harold Mitchell nonsense right now' review?

We have a review every single year at the club. And every single year the board and the executive passes with flying colours. We're awesome! We're Carlton! **** the rest!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:50 pm 
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You would think that if Sticks and all of the Board Directors truly bleed Carlton and want to act for the best interests of the Club, that the failure of the last 18 years without a Premiership would motivate them to either:

1. Accept that they have collectively failed and resign; or

2. Accept that they have collectively failed and offer all Directorships to an election by members for new Directors.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:51 pm 
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I'd say it's best to keep the review recommendations inhouse and out of the media

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:26 pm 
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Slight change of tack:

Does any one get the Carlton Media App on their mobile?

Does the Club look like a dinosaur living in past glories?

On Grand Final week, we have videos of 1970, 1979, 1981, 1892, 1987 Grand Finals.

Does any one think, that the Club admin are just desperate trying to make Carlton relevant for its Members during Grand Final week?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:15 pm 
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Carlton is irrelevant to this competition except for past glories - think Fitzroy

Essendon* may just move into the same place - think Melbourne

And Richmond...

Collingwood at least has some power and some sense of being a powerhouse.

But since 1970 the Victorian powerhouse has been Hawthorn.

About another 20 years should see them lead all in the flags won.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:22 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Slight change of tack:

Does any one get the Carlton Media App on their mobile?

Does the Club look like a dinosaur living in past glories?

On Grand Final week, we have videos of 1970, 1979, 1981, 1892, 1987 Grand Finals.

Does any one think, that the Club admin are just desperate trying to make Carlton relevant for its Members during Grand Final week?



In the history of grand final week we are far more relevant than many others have been over the years, would you prefer what clubs like St Kilda and the Bulldogs have to offer up at this time of year?

Until we have another Premiership to celebrate they are absolutely relevant. Other clubs like to fete their past champion teams, i don't see why we shouldn't as well considering we have much more to celebrate than most other clubs do.

As much as none of us likes where we are at the moment these things are cyclical as well, we have had 23 year droughts
between premierships twice previously in our history, this one will pass as well and that next premiership will be all that much sweeter and appreciated because of it.

St Kilda had to wait 70 years for their first flag and have been waiting almost another 50 for their second, i'll take our record and 'relevance' to grand final week any day of the week and will put our record of success up proudly against any other club's.

Our time will come again, granted it may never again match the era that was experienced between 68 and 95 but it will come.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:02 pm 
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Gab wrote:
Our time will come again, granted it may never again match the era that was experienced between 68 and 95 but it will come.


Our time won't just roll around as a cyclical occurrence. People will have to make it happen. Someone is going to have to force change, to get us to the top.

I'd like to think that our time will roll around again, but I can just as easily see us as the new Melbourne: a club ruined by the simple fact that it became used to, and expected success, and stopped fighting for it.

Every time I hear phrases like "The Big Four" "We're Carlton **** the rest" "16 Flags" "At Carlton we expect success" "Back where we belong" "Bringing back the arrogance" my heart sinks, because I know the mindset behind those words isn't in any way conducive to genuine success.

And the fact that the board is happy to sit still for another year, just so the incumbent President can stay at the helm to celebrate the past 150 years, is further evidence that their attitude is completely wrong.

Look at Hawthorn: hungry bastards. Stung by the proposed merger, they got their house in order and have been absolutely driven and ruthless in reshaping the club for success. You don't hear them crapping on about the glory years of the 80's. They're too busy creating their own glory years right now.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:04 pm 
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Gab wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Slight change of tack:

Does any one get the Carlton Media App on their mobile?

Does the Club look like a dinosaur living in past glories?

On Grand Final week, we have videos of 1970, 1979, 1981, 1892, 1987 Grand Finals.

Does any one think, that the Club admin are just desperate trying to make Carlton relevant for its Members during Grand Final week?



In the history of grand final week we are far more relevant than many others have been over the years, would you prefer what clubs like St Kilda and the Bulldogs have to offer up at this time of year?

Until we have another Premiership to celebrate they are absolutely relevant. Other clubs like to fete their past champion teams, i don't see why we shouldn't as well considering we have much more to celebrate than most other clubs do.

As much as none of us likes where we are at the moment these things are cyclical as well, we have had 23 year droughts
between premierships twice previously in our history, this one will pass as well and that next premiership will be all that much sweeter and appreciated because of it.

St Kilda had to wait 70 years for their first flag and have been waiting almost another 50 for their second, i'll take our record and 'relevance' to grand final week any day of the week and will put our record of success up proudly against any other club's.

Our time will come again, granted it may never again match the era that was experienced between 68 and 95 but it will come.


Thanks for the response but this is all rhetoric.

To state that "our time will come" is meaningless.

Premiership success has nothing to do with time - In fact it is quite the opposite. A lack of success over time is a killer to the Club. We have lost all the successful culture of the past with no Carlton Premiership players on the current playing list. Judd is not a Carlton Premiership player.

We do not have a Board administration that has Premiership success as administartors. Sticks was a player.

The St Kilda and Swans you mentioned got preferred treatment by the AFL and St Kilda still failed.

It is a tragedy for this once great Club that we have to be compared with St Kilda and Bulldogs on this issue....


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:19 pm 
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Rhetoric in your opinion, pride in the history of my club in mine.

Of course there needs to be hard work to make the club successful again, past successes didn't happen by accident either, a lot of people put a hell of a lot into the club to take it where it once was.

You need to consider that the AFL pushed us to within an ace of being extinct with the penalties they dished out against us in 2002.

It is going to take a whole lot of hard work to lift this club again but there is no reason why it can't happen. Of course it may take a whole lot of change in administration etc to get there and as far as Sticks goes at the time he took over the Presidency NOBODY else wanted it as we were done, we were close to handing our licence back to the AFL as recently as 2006.


Going forward it's obvious there's need for change but for all the talk and screaming for people's heads i don't see anybody putting their hands up to actually do anything concrete to make things better.

I am quite realistic in an assessment of where we are now and the need for things to be turned around but that will never stop me from recognising the achievements of the past and the efforts that a great number of people including us members who were part of it put in at the time to make it happen.

Regardless of what happens in the future i will continue to love and support this club as i have over many years. NOTHING will ever make me feel that i am not proud to be associated with such a great club.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:36 pm 
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Gab wrote:
Rhetoric in your opinion, pride in the history of my club in mine.

Of course there needs to be hard work to make the club successful again, past successes didn't happen by accident either, a lot of people put a hell of a lot into the club to take it where it once was.

You need to consider that the AFL pushed us to within an ace of being extinct with the penalties they dished out against us in 2002.

It is going to take a whole lot of hard work to lift this club again but there is no reason why it can't happen. Of course it may take a whole lot of change in administration etc to get there and as far as Sticks goes at the time he took over the Presidency NOBODY else wanted it as we were done, we were close to handing our licence back to the AFL as recently as 2006.


Going forward it's obvious there's need for change but for all the talk and screaming for people's heads i don't see anybody putting their hands up to actually do anything concrete to make things better.

I am quite realistic in an assessment of where we are now and the need for things to be turned around but that will never stop me from recognising the achievements of the past and the efforts that a great number of people including us members who were part of it put in at the time to make it happen.

Regardless of what happens in the future i will continue to love and support this club as i have over many years. NOTHING will ever make me feel that i am not proud to be associated with such a great club.


We all love Carlton. Its a given. The Club is looking back and not looking forward by spinning this past glory stuff.

Its very simple, we need the best Board and administration to get us to Premiership success. The best ingredients in people, planning and execution.

The Sticks excuse that no-one wanted the job is a furphy. For example, we could have had a pure business man such as Lee. It is already been stated on TC that Pratt wanted Sticks as President whilst Pratt had his business and health issues. In any event, Stick's time is up and we have to move on Sticks as a minimum.

If the Club employed the best people and the Club made the best possible decisions off the field including recruitment and development since 2004, I suggest we would have a Premiership by now.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:58 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Carlton is irrelevant to this competition except for past glories - think Fitzroy

Essendon** may just move into the same place - think Melbourne

And Richmond...

Collingwood at least has some power and some sense of being a powerhouse.

But since 1970 the Victorian powerhouse has been Hawthorn.

About another 20 years should see them lead all in the flags won.


Agree with most points there DB

Carlton IS irrelevant. We stand for nothing.

Essendon* will not fade. They have more 21st century nous than we have. Their exalted one flowered up big time but they will be back. Their recruiting alone is eons ahead of ours

Hate Collingwood but think that Nathan Buckley is doing the right thing. Too big an organisation with unlimited resources to not be thereabouts...maybe not next year but they have some good young'uns in their squad. They will become devout Buckley disciples once the rotten apples are gone

Hawthorn should never have won in 2008 and were waiting to choke yesterday. Were lucky to win their two grannies cause the opposition kicked very very poorly. One flag (2012) was theirs.
Freo were a Fyfe and Ballantyne goal away from the Hawks crumbling.
Having said that, I agree that they've been the powerhouse club in my lifetime.

Synbad is right. Sticks and co have allowed the club to drift for a decade with no plan. And now the only plan we have is to poach people from Collingwood
WE ARE IRRELEVANT

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:16 pm 
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Were sinking into insignificance.
Essendon* will go down the gurgler.

This is the AFL national comp where what happened in the past means Paul Little .

Both of these two clubs are strugging ...


Hirs saw what Sheedy did.. what was it 27 years ?.. a couple or more flags.
Then he saw what Knights did.. and got sacked
No way was Hird going to not be more like a sheedy in Essendon* folklore than a Knights.
So he cheated

We cheated after it became an AFL comp not embracing the draft and the cap because this is what we have always done.

If you do not learn to adapt youre [REDACTED]!!!... fortunately were not as bad as Essendon*..but we are sinking becase were thining of the past...

Its a new competition....!!!... there are new players !!!.. and its not as easy to tae short cuts to historical success!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:22 pm 
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Hawthorn were going to merge with Melbourne not so long ago.................nek minnit............premierships are flowing.

Things need to change and fast but they can be done. Are we up to it?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:34 pm 
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harker wrote:
Hawthorn were going to merge with Melbourne not so long ago.................nek minnit............premierships are flowing.

Things need to change and fast but they can be done. Are we up to it?


Someone has to form a ticket of 13 and wipe the entire board off the map.

We need an independent review by Don Argus or someone similar.

We need a new constitution. The current deadlock in the board is the result of a dinosaur document. The recent amendments were just a side show of peripheral issues.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:01 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
harker wrote:
Hawthorn were going to merge with Melbourne not so long ago.................nek minnit............premierships are flowing.

Things need to change and fast but they can be done. Are we up to it?


Someone has to form a ticket of 13 and wipe the entire board off the map.
We need an independent review by Don Argus or someone similar.
We need a new constitution. The current deadlock in the board is the result of a dinosaur document. The recent amendments were just a side show of peripheral issues.


It's always someone else. Someone should do this and someone should do that.

We have no faith or more to the point, no inclination to push people power. That's always what someone else does but not us..........we'll just complain instead.


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