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Agree pick 11 and 2 picks in 20's an ideal scenario and combined with Camporeale twins, a great haul.

Carroll, Owies, Young & Kennedy are the ‘offerings’. I can’t see how any of them yield a pick in the 30s never mind 20s. Maybe if they all go we might build a points bank to then move as a package deal… whole new set of problems with that, however.

The northern academies will be stacked again, so Gold Coast might have interest in next year’s first pick…

I’m just not seeing it.


There’s a few clubs with weak midfields that would be desperate for a player like Kennedy.


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sinbagger wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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Agree pick 11 and 2 picks in 20's an ideal scenario and combined with Camporeale twins, a great haul.

Carroll, Owies, Young & Kennedy are the ‘offerings’. I can’t see how any of them yield a pick in the 30s never mind 20s. Maybe if they all go we might build a points bank to then move as a package deal… whole new set of problems with that, however.

The northern academies will be stacked again, so Gold Coast might have interest in next year’s first pick…

I’m just not seeing it.


There’s a few clubs with weak midfields that would be desperate for a player like Kennedy.



Yes, but don't they have this years deep midfield draft to build that?


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I even think a club like Richmond might be interested. Get a big body in to protect all the kids they're going to draft in the next 2 years.

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I even think a club like Richmond might be interested. Get a big body in to protect all the kids they're going to draft in the next 2 years.

Hopefully they are interested in Young and Owies as well.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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I even think a club like Richmond might be interested. Get a big body in to protect all the kids they're going to draft in the next 2 years.

Taranto & Hopper?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Hopper is always injured & my Tiger mates can't stand Taranto, even though he won their B&F last year.

2 first rounders & a lock of Chris Bond's hair for Kennedy, take it or leave it

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Young seeing himself as a 3rd interceptor is just not true. Absolute rubbish.
Also, please show me where this has been said!!!

It was a private conversation with some of his former teammates.

I thought he could change. I still do… sorta… not sure Weiters or Newy are the right blokes to sit him down for the fireside chats. He’s had Ash Hansen for his whole career, so I’d confidently suggest that he’s not the one either.

Maybe it’s a comprehension problem. Having Doc’s voice on field could be the difference?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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So, (and this isn't a bit), but would either Gary Rohan or Brandon Parfitt make us a better side offensively? I've always like Rohan but he's 33 and has a skull fracture - but as a third target I've always thought he was excellent and would be what we need, even for a year or so.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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So, (and this isn't a bit), but would either Gary Rohan or Brandon Parfitt make us a better side offensively? I've always like Rohan but he's 33 and has a skull fracture - but as a third target I've always thought he was excellent and would be what we need, even for a year or so.


That would be an enormous amount of FIGJAM to bring into the club in one jar.

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Rohan absolutely loves a root on the side.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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They are playing KPF for the top 6 teams....not really spuds. I respect any player who crosses the line. Those who arent good are soon dismissed. Carlton on the other hand is known to keep players in the hope they become KPDs or get over their injuries.

The May Lever is the best example from circa 2024 of shorter defenders, but its May's strength to take No 1 KPF that helps them out. Like I said its a case of strength vs height. Have to have one or the other to play KPD. Have to ask have you ever seen Lever left to defend one on one? Hopeless, Lost, anxious and very upset when he's left to fend for mimself. Every player has their achilles heel. He loves the space, to leave his man and jump for the spoil or mark.

As for looking at oppo KPD's, I have, they all have at least one very tall KPD (198-200) and one strong KPD (193-6) or 2 very talls, or even 3.

I know your argument about Footscray's unicorns playing 3 KPFs...but the fact is they exist more than you know or want me to believe. Don't worry if you think they are spuds today or unicorns. Most important thing to do in this exercise is see if they exist and what we have to counter them next year.

I think fresh young talls at Hawks are still young and developing, and may be ripe when Frost, Battle and Barrass end their careers, but at Carlton we are looking for a ready made KPD to replace Young, and one intercept mark better than Kemp and Gov. Hence Haynes. That Young improvement is key. I have faith in Young TBH, but I know 90% of Carlton supporters hate him. I have the same faith in SOS to play KPF-Ruck because TDK is our No 1 ruck, but don't know if Young and SOS are the answers TBH.



young is such a tease. he can string together good to very good games, and then he can play himself into the two's and off the list he so bad.

i wish he'd be consistent. the last 3 games he played this season were good. so good, that i'd rather chase houston and persist with him for another year. but cfc thinks otherwise and put him on the trade block.

can't wait for the season to end and the trade period to kick start.


I get the Young tease bit, but on the flipside I question whether the everchanging game plans of Voss as the reason for Young's "confusion", or, do the changes in game plan, caused maybe because of injury, is when we see the defense slaughtered with oppo forward entries and every defender looks vulnerable. Maybe Young is good enough to play FB. I think he is, and the midfield defending needs to improve moreso than Young.


That fact we are giving Young the freedom to explore his options we must think Harry Lemmey is going to kick on. Good finish to the year but i'm not sure yet. Still thought he had more to go. If he was to come though we could put him in the key defensive role, and 2nd ruck, or, as a real left field option, can play forward and even let McKay play CHB. As I said, still think he is a year away yet though, although you never know.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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fingers crossed on lemmey!

we need one of the drafted talls at this club to kick on in 2025, as much as we need anything else to happen, imo.


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Braithy wrote:
fingers crossed on lemmey!

we need one of the drafted talls at this club to kick on in 2025, as much as we need anything else to happen, imo.



Bloody oath.

SOS is a seasoned player, and coming back to earn his Fwd-Ruck position in the forwardline in 2025.

We need a Fwd-Ruck, and I can't see one ready made on the radar.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:09 am 
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jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

They are playing KPF for the top 6 teams....not really spuds. I respect any player who crosses the line. Those who arent good are soon dismissed. Carlton on the other hand is known to keep players in the hope they become KPDs or get over their injuries.

The May Lever is the best example from circa 2024 of shorter defenders, but its May's strength to take No 1 KPF that helps them out. Like I said its a case of strength vs height. Have to have one or the other to play KPD. Have to ask have you ever seen Lever left to defend one on one? Hopeless, Lost, anxious and very upset when he's left to fend for mimself. Every player has their achilles heel. He loves the space, to leave his man and jump for the spoil or mark.

As for looking at oppo KPD's, I have, they all have at least one very tall KPD (198-200) and one strong KPD (193-6) or 2 very talls, or even 3.

I know your argument about Footscray's unicorns playing 3 KPFs...but the fact is they exist more than you know or want me to believe. Don't worry if you think they are spuds today or unicorns. Most important thing to do in this exercise is see if they exist and what we have to counter them next year.

I think fresh young talls at Hawks are still young and developing, and may be ripe when Frost, Battle and Barrass end their careers, but at Carlton we are looking for a ready made KPD to replace Young, and one intercept mark better than Kemp and Gov. Hence Haynes. That Young improvement is key. I have faith in Young TBH, but I know 90% of Carlton supporters hate him. I have the same faith in SOS to play KPF-Ruck because TDK is our No 1 ruck, but don't know if Young and SOS are the answers TBH.



young is such a tease. he can string together good to very good games, and then he can play himself into the two's and off the list he so bad.

i wish he'd be consistent. the last 3 games he played this season were good. so good, that i'd rather chase houston and persist with him for another year. but cfc thinks otherwise and put him on the trade block.

can't wait for the season to end and the trade period to kick start.


I get the Young tease bit, but on the flipside I question whether the everchanging game plans of Voss as the reason for Young's "confusion", or, do the changes in game plan, caused maybe because of injury, is when we see the defense slaughtered with oppo forward entries and every defender looks vulnerable. Maybe Young is good enough to play FB. I think he is, and the midfield defending needs to improve moreso than Young.


That fact we are giving Young the freedom to explore his options we must think Harry Lemmey is going to kick on. Good finish to the year but i'm not sure yet. Still thought he had more to go. If he was to come though we could put him in the key defensive role, and 2nd ruck, or, as a real left field option, can play forward and even let McKay play CHB. As I said, still think he is a year away yet though, although you never know.


I think the club has decided it doesn't want to depend on Young as a FB, nor as the intercept 3rd tall. You need more than just marking and spoiling skills when you mark the ball. Weitering mentioned he welcomes the possibility of Houston coming on board knowing if he gives the ball to Houston he will look after it. Young can't handle the pressure it seems.

I have no doubt Blues are looking for a home for Young rather than a great a good draft pick. They are trying to create spots to make some picks or trades.

Maybe Austin has his eyes on someone to replace Young.

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The younger brother of former No.1 draft pick Paddy and older brother of Sydney defender Tom put together a strong season for Lorne in the Colac & District League.


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He stands at a similar size to Paddy and Tom (around 194-195cm), but has some filling out to do, and plays in a similar vein as an intercepting defender.

“He’s the same size. He’s probably not as big as Tommy, but I’m sure if he gets on a list he’ll get there,” Paddy added.

“He plays similar to me, he doesn’t play on anyone, he just floats in and intercepts. That’s what he’s been doing at Lorne.

“We’ll see how he goes. I’ve got my fingers crossed for the big fella.”

McCartin played 14 games for Lorne and was named in the best players on nine occasions.

The athletic defender has been watched by Carlton, St Kilda and Geelong this year and already has links to the Swans.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/24/hes-a-ripper-former-no-1-pick-comments-on-draft-potential-of-younger-brother/

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Surely we could get a deal done with Gold Coast for Owies?

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bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

They are playing KPF for the top 6 teams....not really spuds. I respect any player who crosses the line. Those who arent good are soon dismissed. Carlton on the other hand is known to keep players in the hope they become KPDs or get over their injuries.

The May Lever is the best example from circa 2024 of shorter defenders, but its May's strength to take No 1 KPF that helps them out. Like I said its a case of strength vs height. Have to have one or the other to play KPD. Have to ask have you ever seen Lever left to defend one on one? Hopeless, Lost, anxious and very upset when he's left to fend for mimself. Every player has their achilles heel. He loves the space, to leave his man and jump for the spoil or mark.

As for looking at oppo KPD's, I have, they all have at least one very tall KPD (198-200) and one strong KPD (193-6) or 2 very talls, or even 3.

I know your argument about Footscray's unicorns playing 3 KPFs...but the fact is they exist more than you know or want me to believe. Don't worry if you think they are spuds today or unicorns. Most important thing to do in this exercise is see if they exist and what we have to counter them next year.

I think fresh young talls at Hawks are still young and developing, and may be ripe when Frost, Battle and Barrass end their careers, but at Carlton we are looking for a ready made KPD to replace Young, and one intercept mark better than Kemp and Gov. Hence Haynes. That Young improvement is key. I have faith in Young TBH, but I know 90% of Carlton supporters hate him. I have the same faith in SOS to play KPF-Ruck because TDK is our No 1 ruck, but don't know if Young and SOS are the answers TBH.



young is such a tease. he can string together good to very good games, and then he can play himself into the two's and off the list he so bad.

i wish he'd be consistent. the last 3 games he played this season were good. so good, that i'd rather chase houston and persist with him for another year. but cfc thinks otherwise and put him on the trade block.

can't wait for the season to end and the trade period to kick start.


I get the Young tease bit, but on the flipside I question whether the everchanging game plans of Voss as the reason for Young's "confusion", or, do the changes in game plan, caused maybe because of injury, is when we see the defense slaughtered with oppo forward entries and every defender looks vulnerable. Maybe Young is good enough to play FB. I think he is, and the midfield defending needs to improve moreso than Young.


That fact we are giving Young the freedom to explore his options we must think Harry Lemmey is going to kick on. Good finish to the year but i'm not sure yet. Still thought he had more to go. If he was to come though we could put him in the key defensive role, and 2nd ruck, or, as a real left field option, can play forward and even let McKay play CHB. As I said, still think he is a year away yet though, although you never know.


I think the club has decided it doesn't want to depend on Young as a FB, nor as the intercept 3rd tall. You need more than just marking and spoiling skills when you mark the ball. Weitering mentioned he welcomes the possibility of Houston coming on board knowing if he gives the ball to Houston he will look after it. Young can't handle the pressure it seems.

I have no doubt Blues are looking for a home for Young rather than a great a good draft pick. They are trying to create spots to make some picks or trades.

Maybe Austin has his eyes on someone to replace Young.

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There is a chance that Charlie McCartin could be on an AFL list in 2025.


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The younger brother of former No.1 draft pick Paddy and older brother of Sydney defender Tom put together a strong season for Lorne in the Colac & District League.


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He stands at a similar size to Paddy and Tom (around 194-195cm), but has some filling out to do, and plays in a similar vein as an intercepting defender.

“He’s the same size. He’s probably not as big as Tommy, but I’m sure if he gets on a list he’ll get there,” Paddy added.

“He plays similar to me, he doesn’t play on anyone, he just floats in and intercepts. That’s what he’s been doing at Lorne.

“We’ll see how he goes. I’ve got my fingers crossed for the big fella.”

McCartin played 14 games for Lorne and was named in the best players on nine occasions.

The athletic defender has been watched by Carlton, St Kilda and Geelong this year and already has links to the Swans.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/24/hes-a-ripper-former-no-1-pick-comments-on-draft-potential-of-younger-brother/



We’ll probably do something stupid like we did with Isaac Smith - and tell him we need to see him at VFL level - and someone else will end up drafting him.

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Surely we could get a deal done with Gold Coast for Owies?


Better still.
How about keeping Owies.
His goal kickin, his celebrations and emotional investment far exceeds what Durdin and Fantasia offer.

How about trading Fantasia & Durdin to someone and paying half of their contracts (as they have 1 yr deals) to get the trade done.

Why did Fantasia get a 2 year deal at Carlton anyway? The logic of getting an injured, past his prime, 11? goal in a season goal kicker isn’t great.
He kicked 4 in one match and half of them from distant memory were supplied by Owies anyway.


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tap in 79 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Surely we could get a deal done with Gold Coast for Owies?


Better still.
How about keeping Owies.
His goal kickin, his celebrations and emotional investment far exceeds what Durdin and Fantasia offer.

How about trading Fantasia & Durdin to someone and paying half of their contracts (as they have 1 yr deals) to get the trade done.

Why did Fantasia get a 2 year deal at Carlton anyway? The logic of getting an injured, past his prime, 11? goal in a season goal kicker isn’t great.
He kicked 4 in one match and half of them from distant memory were supplied by Owies anyway.


i'd be surprised if anyone else wanted fantasia, but i'd trade durds before owies. the only thing durds has over owies is age and a bit of speed, but i think overall owies is a better player and seems more passionate

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tap in 79 wrote:
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Surely we could get a deal done with Gold Coast for Owies?


Better still.
How about keeping Owies.
His goal kickin, his celebrations and emotional investment far exceeds what Durdin and Fantasia offer.

How about trading Fantasia & Durdin to someone and paying half of their contracts (as they have 1 yr deals) to get the trade done.

Why did Fantasia get a 2 year deal at Carlton anyway? The logic of getting an injured, past his prime, 11? goal in a season goal kicker isn’t great.
He kicked 4 in one match and half of them from distant memory were supplied by Owies anyway.

Fantasia was looking at going to GWS on one year so we offered the extra year to get him

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jezzarules wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Surely we could get a deal done with Gold Coast for Owies?


Better still.
How about keeping Owies.
His goal kickin, his celebrations and emotional investment far exceeds what Durdin and Fantasia offer.

How about trading Fantasia & Durdin to someone and paying half of their contracts (as they have 1 yr deals) to get the trade done.

Why did Fantasia get a 2 year deal at Carlton anyway? The logic of getting an injured, past his prime, 11? goal in a season goal kicker isn’t great.
He kicked 4 in one match and half of them from distant memory were supplied by Owies anyway.

Fantasia was looking at going to GWS on one year so we offered the extra year to get him


GWS must have laughed at Carlton over that one.
They have amongst the best small forward combo in the comp, so why would they seek Fantasia?

So surely a club eg Richmond- could want a small forward with the exodus of players leaving there now .. Durdin to Richmond, pay half his wage and keep Owies.
Get Weitering on slightly lesser deal to squeeze him in. They do want success don’t they? Or is $ more important?


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