Keep TDK. Showed last week he could play forward.

Get B.McKay via FA.

Trade future first in.

Pick 8 take a mid.
Pick 9 take a HFF.

No one wants to hear that. They want BETTER than Pittonet.

At least they only have to make a handful of phone calls to get it.

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Isn’t Ben Mckay just another injury prone key defender?

I love it.

I really want to keep TDK, coz. But not more than, whatever for 2 years, and lets see.

... and rest of our picks on a ruck to replace TDK, and even if TDK stays, another depth ruck ahead of Mirkov.

Have a feeling we could get Ben with a future 1st and a 2nd.

We may even have to accept a first for to let go TDK, (a win either way), and have 2 Top 10 picks...we can use them for another ready player we need, (a bloody good one) who would take unders to join Crippsy, Walsh, Cerra Harry & Charlie, Weiters, in their quest for the next Flag.

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And your point is….

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Pass. VFL standard

Yep agree. McKay B is over hyped.

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It is shaping as potentially a pivotal off season for Carlton.

There are so many name players who could potentially be shipped out. From the famous injury prone 5 of Marchbank, McGovern, Martin, Williams, and Cuningham (granted some if not most ? are under contract), to players like TDK, Fisher, Dow, LOB and Silvagni and then even Ed Curnow and maybe Philp and Honey also.

But we don't have many picks so it's hard to see how we achieve a high volume of turnover.

I don't envy being in Cook and Lloyd's shoes.

I think the decision to bring over injury prone name players is coming home to roost. Poor list management.

Arguably this absurd situation we find ourselves in does necessitate a strategy of trading in a lot of draft picks.

I do wonder what will happen to all those players but especially TDK and Dow. The latter seems to have his papers stamped being dropped again.

How does that work?
Surely next years first is only worth what someone will offer us. How do you equate it to pick 8 or 9?
As for suggestions about Himmelberg. He'll be priced well out of our reach.

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Where did I mention Himmelberg?

No doubt there is risk involved.
But all moves involve some degree of risk.
In so far as being injury prone, his last 3 years have been pretty good.

2021 : 22 games
2022 : 15 games
2023 : 10 out of possible 14 games

He has certainly missed some games but far better return than McGovern and Marchbank

My question is what happens if Weitering goes down?
I am off Young. Just isn't hard enough at the contest and panics as a result when he has ball in hand and is put under pressure.
Ben McKay at least doesn't shirk the contest and is a big bodied genuine Key Defender.
But yes there is always risk.
I would do a FA swap of TDK and Ben McKay.
Both players have question marks on them.

Look to be honest I am torn between keeping or trading TDK and whether we go flat out and try and bring in as many first round picks as possible

It will come down to whether the club feel the list isn't good enough and we need to reset a bit and regenerate for a tilt in 3 years' time

In the meantime we probably hang onto most of the Injury Prone 5 and hope they come good - that would be a bonus. But they need to play on lesser deals.

You can tread water with rucks. We need to get an instinctive mid forward and a dual sided mid mid with pace.

If we can do that and keep TDK, great, if not then he becomes the cost.

Also if he doesn’t want to be here then trade him.

You didn't. Another poster did. I was talking generally and being lazy by not quoting another post.
Obviously being away in FNQ is diminishing my workrate.
But how do we secure picks 8 and 9? Unless I'm missing something, bringing forward next years selection and where it lands will be determined by negotiation with the trading club.

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Right time of the year to be in FNQ: Palm cove sounds nice. They have been spared rain and cold air up there.

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We have a core of players committed to the Blues and their tilt for a flag.
The window for Harry, Charlie, Weiters, Cripps, Cerra, Cunners, Pitto, is the next 4-5 years and less for Saad, Williams, Gov

I dont know how the draft picks are going to help, excpet to create salary space and we use those picks to trade for developed 'role' players, plus a CHB.
There's no guarantees with draft picks unless they are top 10 (unless of course SOS is picking mids, and I know he's not).

I think we keep adding good players over the next 2 years to our core group to fill a couple gaps, and we are ready to roll.
If we get this Trade period right we may be contending next year, after another preseason.

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We need Young with or without Weitering playing imo.
He just needs to get back to his 2022 and early 2023 form, and the mids becoming more accountable for their opponents further upfield.

Every player loses form. Young has lost form, but we shouldnt forget that when in form, Young is good, and was better than Weiters earlier in the year imo.

Form should be the reason we omit players, not delist, imo. Too rash.

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I mentioned them a possible options/scenarios

There are options with GWS & GCS to trade for their first round picks plus we have ours. We may be happy to trade next years pick if we see ourselves at finalists and that the Campo boys are top 10-15 picks

To stay relevant and keep refreshing we need to bring in young talent now along with some smart mature recruiting

Names like Curnow Cripps Weitering Saad Docherty are ready now and don't have many years left at the top. Our draft/period along with the improvement of Hollands Kemp Binns Boyd Motlop plus Williams will determine if we are a genuine shot at a flag in 2024

SEN this morning said Pit has done his other PCL and is a week by week proposition

We need another ready ruck. this trade period should be used to fix our current needs. I also dont feel our salary cap woes are that bad, the AFL made us spend it, so we did, we cant (surely) be that bad off.

pit signs a 4 yr contract month later Knee problem ,our club is cursed .