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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:33 pm 
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FFS Luke Sayers - Step up man and save the club and bring it to be the most powerful and successful club in the land, as it once was!!!!

hes busy

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:50 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Wangers wrote:
FFS Luke Sayers - Step up man and save the club and bring it to be the most powerful and successful club in the land, as it once was!!!!

hes busy


Well, he should step down from the board. :mad: :banghead:

Sick of these idiots either being nominated or putting their hand up to join the board and making this conditional!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:16 am 
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Fahour COULD be good but not necessarily thats all. I think elliott of the Tom variety, sounds like an interesting proposition.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:14 am 
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Fahour COULD be good but not necessarily thats all. I think elliott of the Tom variety, sounds like an interesting proposition.

yes we know Fahour COULD be good not necessarily... but we know Sticks is NO good...

I think thats the point.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:22 am 
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Synbad wrote:
padre wrote:
Fahour COULD be good but not necessarily thats all. I think elliott of the Tom variety, sounds like an interesting proposition.

yes we know Fahour COULD be good not necessarily... but we know Sticks is NO good...

I think thats the point.


Absolutely!!!!

Forget out lack of KPPs and classy hard-nut mids, we need a president ... and a proper, progressive board.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:48 pm 
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You guys have got to get it happening. For years we have been hearing about it on here but nothing changes at the top.

Could it be that talking it up on fansites is not overly effective in forcing change?

If you want it bad enough i think it is time you took the next step.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:03 pm 
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club29 wrote:
You guys have got to get it happening. For years we have been hearing about it on here but nothing changes at the top.

Could it be that talking it up on fansites is not overly effective in forcing change?

If you want it bad enough i think it is time you took the next step.


If only.............................

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:13 pm 
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How long does it take to add "More detailed bio available soon"?

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:19 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
How long does it take to add "More detailed bio available soon"?

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board



Fully committed Directors......

The club is in good hands :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:30 pm 
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What if Blueman's prophecy referred to a young president and not a young coach?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:33 pm 
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club29 wrote:
You guys have got to get it happening. For years we have been hearing about it on here but nothing changes at the top.

Could it be that talking it up on fansites is not overly effective in forcing change?

If you want it bad enough i think it is time you took the next step.


It's easier said than done. You have to be smart about it and you need influential allies. If a handful of members ark up prior to an AGM it gets nowhere. The way to go about it is through the media. Kernahan hates criticism...especially when it's delivered directly at him. So a Caro piece in The Age, a follow up dig on one of the programs she appears on in both TV and radio...perhaps another journo going along for the ride - which shouldn't be hard because Carlton sells newspapers.

But be mindful that the club is controlled by Bruce Mathieson and Pratt monies. It doesn't take much for Bruce Mathieson to contact a few journos of his own and before you know it a headline appears saying 'Billionaire will withdraw Carlton cash if board spilled'. Carlton members have been hamstrung. For years we were denied a proper vote of board members and now it sits at a ridiculous 13 while the same promises are made year after year.

Also need to be mindful that Kernahan can't go on after 2014. The Constitution prevents it. Most Carlton members are very blasé about what goes on at board level. The only chance he goes is if he gets ousted at the October board meeting. There are rumblings, but nothing concrete. No one wants to rock the boat because they fear an 'Et tu, Brute?!' scenario.

I'll repeat what I said a while ago. Do you know what each of our 13 board members are responsible for? What areas of their expertise are they using? Take a look at the Bulldogs board. Very transparent. I know what they do. And therefore I know why they're there.

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/club/governance/board

Now look at the Carlton board. http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

Ahmed Fahour has been there a year - yet still has a 'more detailed bio soon' next to his name. Similarly Craig Mathieson. They're aware of it.

Jeanne Pratt's bio reads like a 'This is Your Life' script (it should be noted that Jeanne is also a mother and grandmother), yet nothing about what area she oversees as a board member at Carlton.

We do know that in 2008, Richard Newton was appointed chair of the Audit & Finance Committee - but is that still his role? Who would know, particularly when Marcus Clarke's bio states that he has 'has a particular interest in the development of an elite training facility for the Club'...Wow! Sounds fantasti...what...what? Hang on...we have one of those!

Zac Fried 'most recently played a key role in the redevelopment of VISY Park for the club.'....most recently obviously meaning 2009.

Mark LoGiudice gets an interesting bio. This is the director who prior to being a board member, went into business with Chris Judd, then went to exhaustive lengths to keep Judd's $500,000 investment in his hotel and pokies concealed. Then he becomes a director (not voted on by members mind you) and then he wants his money back...to make matters infinitely worse - Carlton use LoGiudice as a spokeman for the launch of a Responsible Gambling Awareness Program in May of this year? Oh boy...it stinks.

Mr. LoGiudice...I trust you are paying for the privilege to sit on my football clubs' board? What exactly do you do on the board? Can we please have some transparency here?

...need I go on? Here's an idea Carlton. Treat the fans like investors (they are). Treat potential fans like potential investors (they are). Treat me like a direct debit that forks over cash every year because my heart bleeds navy blue and my head will soon put a stop to it. Show me you care. Show me you're professional. Tell me why you're on the board. Tell me the reasons I should 'invest'. Act like you're a multi-million dollar business - because I think you've forgotten that you are.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:44 pm 
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Lol look at the Bulldogs they can only afford to have 8 ppl on their board. Tragic! :lol:

We've got thirteen.

THIRTEEN!

@#$%&! the rest.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:55 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
club29 wrote:
You guys have got to get it happening. For years we have been hearing about it on here but nothing changes at the top.

Could it be that talking it up on fansites is not overly effective in forcing change?

If you want it bad enough i think it is time you took the next step.


It's easier said than done. You have to be smart about it and you need influential allies. If a handful of members ark up prior to an AGM it gets nowhere. The way to go about it is through the media. Kernahan hates criticism...especially when it's delivered directly at him. So a Caro piece in The Age, a follow up dig on one of the programs she appears on in both TV and radio...perhaps another journo going along for the ride - which shouldn't be hard because Carlton sells newspapers.

But be mindful that the club is controlled by Bruce Mathieson and Pratt monies. It doesn't take much for Bruce Mathieson to contact a few journos of his own and before you know it a headline appears saying 'Billionaire will withdraw Carlton cash if board spilled'. Carlton members have been hamstrung. For years we were denied a proper vote of board members and now it sits at a ridiculous 13 while the same promises are made year after year.

Also need to be mindful that Kernahan can't go on after 2014. The Constitution prevents it. Most Carlton members are very blasé about what goes on at board level. The only chance he goes is if he gets ousted at the October board meeting. There are rumblings, but nothing concrete. No one wants to rock the boat because they fear an 'Et tu, Brute?!' scenario.

I'll repeat what I said a while ago. Do you know what each of our 13 board members are responsible for? What areas of their expertise are they using? Take a look at the Bulldogs board. Very transparent. I know what they do. And therefore I know why they're there.

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/club/governance/board

Now look at the Carlton board. http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

Ahmed Fahour has been there a year - yet still has a 'more detailed bio soon' next to his name. Similarly Craig Mathieson. They're aware of it.

Jeanne Pratt's bio reads like a 'This is Your Life' script (it should be noted that Jeanne is also a mother and grandmother), yet nothing about what area she oversees as a board member at Carlton.

We do know that in 2008, Richard Newton was appointed chair of the Audit & Finance Committee - but is that still his role? Who would know, particularly when Marcus Clarke's bio states that he has 'has a particular interest in the development of an elite training facility for the Club'...Wow! Sounds fantasti...what...what? Hang on...we have one of those!

Zac Fried 'most recently played a key role in the redevelopment of VISY Park for the club.'....most recently obviously meaning 2009.

Mark LoGiudice gets an interesting bio. This is the director who prior to being a board member, went into business with Chris Judd, then went to exhaustive lengths to keep Judd's $500,000 investment in his hotel and pokies concealed. Then he becomes a director (not voted on by members mind you) and then he wants his money back...to make matters infinitely worse - Carlton use LoGiudice as a spokeman for the launch of a Responsible Gambling Awareness Program in May of this year? Oh boy...it stinks.

Mr. LoGiudice...I trust you are paying for the privilege to sit on my football clubs' board? What exactly do you do on the board? Can we please have some transparency here?

...need I go on? Here's an idea Carlton. Treat the fans like investors (they are). Treat potential fans like potential investors (they are). Treat me like a direct debit that forks over cash every year because my heart bleeds navy blue and my head will soon put a stop to it. Show me you care. Show me you're professional. Tell me why you're on the board. Tell me the reasons I should 'invest'. Act like you're a multi-million dollar business - because I think you've forgotten that you are.

LoGiudice?? hes the token italian board member
we also have the token woman also oligarch and widow of former unofficial owner.. and token philanthropist
token oligarch members on board
token jewish member on board
token ex footy players / bogans
token legal representative
token arab member
we need the token gay member
and the token asian
plus the token blonde bird
and we have a full house of token minority memers of the board

its abit like how they do the big brother show...

keep everybody happy....and the board chugs along... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:53 pm 
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We need the token Amigo board member too.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:03 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Lol look at the Bulldogs they can only afford to have 8 ppl on their board. Tragic! :lol:

We've got thirteen.

THIRTEEN!

@#$%&! the rest.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:05 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:

...need I go on?

Here's an idea Carlton. Treat the fans like investors (they are). Treat potential fans like potential investors (they are). Treat me like a direct debit that forks over cash every year because my heart bleeds navy blue and my head will soon put a stop to it. Show me you care. Show me you're professional. Tell me why you're on the board. Tell me the reasons I should 'invest'. Act like you're a multi-million dollar business - because I think you've forgotten that you are.


Not really.

Don't always care to come here nodding my head but you'd be hard pressed putting up an argument on what is listed above.

Anyone care to run up a petition as a starting point. Doc?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:42 pm 
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Doc for president!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:10 pm 
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hustla wrote:
Doc for president!


:lol: God no...not even if I had the time and money. There are some smart people on the board that get it. Hopefully it gets sorted out. We need some people to put the club first rather than their own egos.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:31 pm 
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harker wrote:

Anyone care to run up a petition as a starting point. Doc?


That is a start. Get 1 -2000 or so members to sign up.

No need to be harsh either. Just thank Kernahan for his time and efforts and let him know we think the time is right for a change at the top and to bring in some fresh ideas. Let him know that we know it will be tough to find someone to take over but we think clearing the position will bring out some decent candidates.

Let it grow from there.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:42 pm 
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Great post Doc.

Loved the CFC page......

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A remarkable woman within our community it should be noted that Jeanne is also a mother and grandmother.


:lol:



Gee, that Susan Alberti gets around a bit. But is she a grandmother?

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