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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:11 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Trading TDK for me is the right thing. Not only save money but will gives us Pick(s) which we need

Going to be a good player but we have other more important needs


So when Pitto goes down again next year, you're playing O'Keeffe first ruck?



Thanks Doc.
I dont know if FB realises how precarious our ruck position is AND SOS isnt the answer.
I'm not saying TDK is the answer, but he is developing and evolving for a wiry type.
Without Pitto we've been fkd.

I'm sure if we get rid of TDK, then ruck just adds to the needs we already have.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:14 pm 
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Rumor - McGovern has agreed to a new contract extension

I am ok with that if true. I assume on less money, at least I would hope so.
When fit, and that is the big if fit, he is an important player.

Just saw the post on BF.
Says he has recommitted for less dollars and less years.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:45 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Trading TDK for me is the right thing. Not only save money but will gives us Pick(s) which we need

Going to be a good player but we have other more important needs


So when Pitto goes down again next year, you're playing O'Keeffe first ruck?

This. Of the names being bandied around the one player I don't want to lose is TDK. In my opinion there aren't too many more important needs than having a decent ruckman. At the moment we have a good average ruckman in Pitto. An emerging ruckman in TDK. An undersized, makeshift ruckman in JSOS, then daylight.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:45 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Would supporters be happy with:

Pick 8 - Caddy (Gen Mid/Forward)
Pick 9 - A.Reid (Key Forward)
Pick 17 - Sanders (Mid)
Plus Picks 60, 66

Get a mature depth Ruck (Naismith) - DFA/Rookie
Gresham - FA
Jordan - FA

Then save 2-3 spots for rookies/pre season/DFA to trial some talls/KPP's

Inject some talent and get our Salary Cap back in a good spot

Next year will be Camporeale twins and a good trade or two (or FA)


Who will play CHB next year?
Who will be 3rd tall? 193cm Kemp? 190cm Gov.
Just because they looked good against West Coast and GCS doesnt mean they can cut it, as they didnt against tall forwardlines like Swans recently.

I dont get how you inject all this talent and say "get our cap back in a good spot"?
I ask, is our cap in a bad spot in 2023? I thought that was last year when we couldnt unload players.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:21 pm 
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kezza wrote:
kezza wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Rumor - McGovern has agreed to a new contract extension

I am ok with that if true. I assume on less money, at least I would hope so.
When fit, and that is the big if fit, he is an important player.

Just saw the post on BF.
Says he has recommitted for less dollars and less years.


The biggest issue with Gov is injury. This has been costly for the club.
What is he being paid? Less than previous.

Lets say his last 3 years he could be receiving 600K pa, after receiving a front load of 900K , this is during SOS days when he couldnt pay the cap to kids and had to spend it; it was SOS carrot. He did it with Martin too; gave Martin 900k in his first year;SOS had to spend it or lose it, or give it to the kids...and I mean kids back then.

It would have to be performance based. It couldnt be for more than 2 years. Possibly 3 for less than 500pa...maybe Hewett rates??

If Austin cuts a performance based contract and we are in a position next year to give him blocks off footy to focus on fitness and recovery, then that's a good onya from me.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:46 pm 
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He is a failure up forward, a disappointment down back, can't get on the park half a year, yet we want to sign him mid year. No wonder we have become the laughing stock of the AFL. Then people wonder why some have lost their passion.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:49 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Hate to say it but Sydney's Pick 17 probably gets it done.


I wouldn't think so.
There's more interest than one club. Competition will see better picks than that IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Blue Vain wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Hate to say it but Sydney's Pick 17 probably gets it done.


I wouldn't think so.
There's more interest than one club. Competition will see better picks than that IMO.

Rarely works like that.
Competition might drive up the salary TDK gets though

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:49 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Trading TDK for me is the right thing. Not only save money but will gives us Pick(s) which we need

Going to be a good player but we have other more important needs


So when Pitto goes down again next year, you're playing O'Keeffe first ruck?

He’s on a sharp upward curve, but I’d go with Lewis Young first.

I’ve seen enough of Mirkov to know that I’ve seen enough. I can appreciate the club sticking to the path laid out by the Development team, but a 4th year (technically three and a half) would only get in the way of better prospects.

Utility talls like Brereton or even Kuipers have shown a bit as potential SSP additions next year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:53 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Hate to say it but Sydney's Pick 17 probably gets it done.

Do I get in the queue now?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:12 pm 
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im okay with Gov @ $400ish. He is handy when fit and certainly has a spot in our starting 22

He isnt horrible, he isnt perfect either, but A $400k its about right IMO.

Utterly frustrating @ $800k though, such a huge waste of money ... as are a few others ...

(Figures are all assumptions by me and no-one else)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:14 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Would supporters be happy with:

Pick 8 - Caddy (Gen Mid/Forward)
Pick 9 - A.Reid (Key Forward)
Pick 17 - Sanders (Mid)
Plus Picks 60, 66

Get a mature depth Ruck (Naismith) - DFA/Rookie
Gresham - FA
Jordan - FA

Then save 2-3 spots for rookies/pre season/DFA to trial some talls/KPP's

Inject some talent and get our Salary Cap back in a good spot

Next year will be Camporeale twins and a good trade or two (or FA)


if we ended up with something like this at the end of the trade period and it effectively cost us TDK ... i would do cart wheels. Im happy to keep TDK, but not on the money that is rumoured.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:30 pm 
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trading Tdk has to be a pick under10 to begin discussion and who going to ruck well this were Austin shows his experience and finds a rough diamond


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:16 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Would supporters be happy with:

Pick 8 - Caddy (Gen Mid/Forward)
Pick 9 - A.Reid (Key Forward)
Pick 17 - Sanders (Mid)
Plus Picks 60, 66

Get a mature depth Ruck (Naismith) - DFA/Rookie
Gresham - FA
Jordan - FA

Then save 2-3 spots for rookies/pre season/DFA to trial some talls/KPP's

Inject some talent and get our Salary Cap back in a good spot

Next year will be Camporeale twins and a good trade or two (or FA)


Who will play CHB next year?
Who will be 3rd tall? 193cm Kemp? 190cm Gov.
Just because they looked good against West Coast and GCS doesnt mean they can cut it, as they didnt against tall forwardlines like Swans recently.

I dont get how you inject all this talent and say "get our cap back in a good spot"?
I ask, is our cap in a bad spot in 2023? I thought that was last year when we couldnt unload players.


Did Young & S.Durdin disappear?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:17 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Trading TDK for me is the right thing. Not only save money but will gives us Pick(s) which we need

Going to be a good player but we have other more important needs


So when Pitto goes down again next year, you're playing O'Keeffe first ruck?



Thanks Doc.
I dont know if FB realises how precarious our ruck position is AND SOS isnt the answer.
I'm not saying TDK is the answer, but he is developing and evolving for a wiry type.
Without Pitto we've been fkd.

I'm sure if we get rid of TDK, then ruck just adds to the needs we already have.


So we can’t recruit another cheaper option like Pittonet?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Hate to say it but Sydney's Pick 17 probably gets it done.


I wouldn't think so.
There's more interest than one club. Competition will see better picks than that IMO.


Good point. Hopefully we get a good deal. I just worry he hasn't really done much yet. But yes let them fight over him.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:43 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Hate to say it but Sydney's Pick 17 probably gets it done.


I'd take it.
Then trade next years first to GCS for this years first.

Go to the draft with 8,9,17 would be perfect


That works I guess

But would we be guaranteed a couple topline prospects at 8 and 9 bec if not then maybe better to trade those picks for later picks and have 5 stabs in the first 25 or so


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:39 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Hate to say it but Sydney's Pick 17 probably gets it done.


I wouldn't think so.
There's more interest than one club. Competition will see better picks than that IMO.

Rarely works like that.
Competition might drive up the salary TDK gets though


Actually it does.
Dylan Shiel. Carlton and Essendon* interested, Bombers paid through the nose for picks. Carlton expressed interest in Adam Saad, we had to cough up the picks. Richmond for Taranto.
If TDK wants to go somewhere, we trade him or what's his option, he risks heading to WC next year in the PSD? I wouldn't think so.
IMHO, Geelong will be interested and they'll pay appropriate picks to secure the deal.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:21 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
He is a failure up forward, a disappointment down back, can't get on the park half a year, yet we want to sign him mid year. No wonder we have become the laughing stock of the AFL. Then people wonder why some have lost their passion.



I'm not sure if you have been watching the Blues this year! He has been fine down back on most occassions this year - a good mark, a good kick on either side and good closing speed and apart from a couple of lapses generally breaks even in a contest at least. He has only missed 1 game to date this year. For less money I am happy for him to be offered a new contract.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:54 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
He is a failure up forward, a disappointment down back, can't get on the park half a year, yet we want to sign him mid year. No wonder we have become the laughing stock of the AFL. Then people wonder why some have lost their passion.



I'm not sure if you have been watching the Blues this year! He has been fine down back on most occassions this year - a good mark, a good kick on either side and good closing speed and apart from a couple of lapses generally breaks even in a contest at least. He has only missed 1 game to date this year. For less money I am happy for him to be offered a new contract.


Yep , me too . Played good footy and he wants to stay with us for less money . Terrific .

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