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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:55 pm 
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Blimey.

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When McKay is submitting a report of his own department, he is reporting back on his own performance, but not determining his own fate beyond the information in the report.


Well I'd better ask the ATO if my cousin's best friend's brother's mate Stavros-the-accountant can audit his own work on my tax return. I mean it'd be stupid of the ATO not to do their own diligence, but in the first instance it's important that Stavros submit a report on his performance. That wouldn't waste my time, Stavros' time, the ATO's time, taxpayer money................

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It's going to be difficult for him to fudge data that makes it look like he's doing a good job.


And on that basis jimmae, is his position under review? Are we putting together a committee and scouring the land to find the best administrator of a modern footy department? Or does that only apply to game-day coaches?

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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What did you think Trigg had been doing since he stepped into the role? Sounds like he's happy with McKay's work (for now) and the board are in turn happy with his viewpoint.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Our new CEO is happy with the work of the person who has seen the most unsuccessful footy department in the comp? Happy enough, too, to let him review his own performance.

OK, well I guess there's nothing to see here.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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If as reported, the candidate list is down to 4, then I hope either Barker or Dew get the gig. I think an AFL COACH should have played at this level. Primarily to have first hand knowledge of the pressure players are under, and how to react under that pressure.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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If as reported, the candidate list is down to 4, then I hope either Barker or Dew get the gig. I think an AFL COACH should have played at this level. Primarily to have first hand knowledge of the pressure players are under, and how to react under that pressure.


If it's about getting the most out of the players who are clearly bearing a lot of mental pressure at the moment, wouldn't Simon Lloyd, sports psychologist and a part of two successful club football departments in hawthorn and Fremantle, be a real consideration?
Not saying the talent is there to work on but it's clear to me that the playing group need someone able to get them out of the mental and emotional rut as much as it is about development and game plan.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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murraycray wrote:
If as reported, the candidate list is down to 4, then I hope either Barker or Dew get the gig. I think an AFL COACH should have played at this level. Primarily to have first hand knowledge of the pressure players are under, and how to react under that pressure.


If it's about getting the most out of the players who are clearly bearing a lot of mental pressure at the moment, wouldn't Simon Lloyd, sports psychologist and a part of two successful club football departments in hawthorn and Fremantle, be a real consideration?
Not saying the talent is there to work on but it's clear to me that the playing group need someone able to get them out of the mental and emotional rut as much as it is about development and game plan.

By all means bring Lloyd on board on the support staff. From what I can gather, he would be a great get for the club.
I just want an experienced ex AFL PLAYER as coach.

Maybe I'm a dinosaur. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Blue Monday wrote:
murraycray wrote:
If as reported, the candidate list is down to 4, then I hope either Barker or Dew get the gig. I think an AFL COACH should have played at this level. Primarily to have first hand knowledge of the pressure players are under, and how to react under that pressure.


If it's about getting the most out of the players who are clearly bearing a lot of mental pressure at the moment, wouldn't Simon Lloyd, sports psychologist and a part of two successful club football departments in hawthorn and Fremantle, be a real consideration?
Not saying the talent is there to work on but it's clear to me that the playing group need someone able to get them out of the mental and emotional rut as much as it is about development and game plan.


Hope you're right. Certainly has some important skill sets. Heard some comments yesterday that the list is around 7 or 8 at this stage. Don Pyke being another but there are still one or two smokies on the list. If so, that is great. The club has a long way to go but I like the fact that they are going through a full process. It's a nice change.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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If as reported, the candidate list is down to 4, then I hope either Barker or Dew get the gig. I think an AFL COACH should have played at this level. Primarily to have first hand knowledge of the pressure players are under, and how to react under that pressure.


This has come up a lot, and there is no right or wrong answer.

There have been examples given of other sports where the best coaches haven't necessarily played at that highest level. The fact that the AFL head coach role is now changing to a Managerial role, with so much delegated to others means we can't dismiss the comparison.

This is why the appointments around him are as equally important. Assistants, Development, High Performance, Recruitment etc.

Lloyd did make it to the VFL reserves, and we can't say whether or not it was not knowing how to cope with succeeding at the next step, that prevented him from going further.

On the flip side we have Jarrad Waite playing his 200th this week, and yet do you think he has any more of an idea than Bolton/Lloyd of passing on the knowledge of what is required to excel at this level....

Phil Walsh for example was doing a great job at Adelaide, but you wonder how much was due to him - like Lloyd - being in the AFL system in a variety of roles over 20 years, and how much due to play ing VFL football 30 years ago?

Unfortunately despite there not being many examples, the case against 'a Lloyd type' is there isn't one coach we can point to prove it can succeed. Brittain, McCartney, Craig, Todd and Cahill come to mind, but who knows how much of not playing at the highest level contributed to their "failures".

Lloyd and Bolton excite me as I believe they bring the combination of experience, yet freshness and hunger due to being first timers that this club needs. Similar to Walsh at Adelaide, Hinkley at Port, or Richardson at St Kilda.

Originally was liking the Dew/Nicks types, but not sure they have the experience to cope with what they will be walking into! Will be good coaches one day, and would slot into a West Coast or Western Bullldogs like Beveridge and Simpson have, but we are a different case all together.

Have no interest in second timers (McKenna, Sanderson etc), or those that might start question their passion 1 or 2 years in to what will be a mammoth task (Thompson, Worsfold etc).

As we've never done before it not about finding "the best coach", but the right coach to fit the clubs needs......

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Our new CEO is happy with the work of the person who has seen the most unsuccessful footy department in the comp? Happy enough, too, to let him review his own performance.

OK, well I guess there's nothing to see here.



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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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murraycray wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
murraycray wrote:
If as reported, the candidate list is down to 4, then I hope either Barker or Dew get the gig. I think an AFL COACH should have played at this level. Primarily to have first hand knowledge of the pressure players are under, and how to react under that pressure.


If it's about getting the most out of the players who are clearly bearing a lot of mental pressure at the moment, wouldn't Simon Lloyd, sports psychologist and a part of two successful club football departments in hawthorn and Fremantle, be a real consideration?
Not saying the talent is there to work on but it's clear to me that the playing group need someone able to get them out of the mental and emotional rut as much as it is about development and game plan.

By all means bring Lloyd on board on the support staff. From what I can gather, he would be a great get for the club.
I just want an experienced ex AFL PLAYER as coach.

Maybe I'm a dinosaur. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Our new CEO is happy with the work of the person who has seen the most unsuccessful footy department in the comp? Happy enough, too, to let him review his own performance.

OK, well I guess there's nothing to see here.



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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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In other news, Richmond have kept Hawthorn GOALLESS for the first quarter!

Oh for shame ....

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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In other news, Richmond have kept Hawthorn GOALLESS for the first quarter!

Oh for shame ....

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Well we kept them goalless for the first 12 minutes......after that it was a different story :confused:


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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We only lost to richmond by 30. Can't be too bad then :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Chrisso: 'I believe John Barker is across the line for the Carlton coaching role'

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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would chrisso really know?


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Tanking is hard to watch.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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i'm starting to think hiring barker would be a big mistake.

you can't instil such negative strategy and game planning into players and expect a season to change, a few faces to change and for the culture and intensity to suddenly be on the up.

we're screwed as currently constructed.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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we aren't setup super negatively tonight , we are just really really shit

plenty of kicks into the corridor looking to attack but skills keep letting us down

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