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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:52 am 
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I'm OK with him staying or going, so long as the deal is in our interests. If we're offered pick 1 or a couple of early firsts for him, take it. If we can get him for another two year deal on below market wages, amazing.

Like you say - losing him for a pick in the early teens from free agency compo, or signing him up to a five year deal are awful outcomes.


It’s hard to believe that we might have cap problems just 2 years after under paying.

If we lose players due to cap position Austin needs to go


Interesting . Austin got the gig in front of David Walls .

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:17 am 
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Mark Stevens reporting we are shopping Zac Williams around. Wtf.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:59 am 
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That rumour is being denied by the club

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:17 pm 
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Mark Stevens reporting we are shopping Zac Williams around. Wtf.


Someone put it on Bigfooty as a rumour. Stevens then reported it.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:01 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Feel like Jackson deal gets done, which unlocks the Lobb and Logue trades, and then you probably sort out Acres, Hill and Henry from there.
If that stalls, and given Freo have no second or third round pick this year, hopefully that order gets reversed, and deal gets done for a second round pick.

Pick 10 and the Jones pick (assuming it's start of 3rd) for Pick 13 if it syncs up with the intel on who we'd want to draft first is probably the best outcome?

We’ll get Acres for a pick in the 30s… we just need to find one of those.

Jones compo or Setterfield should do the trick.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:03 pm 
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After compo picks and academy/father son picks, our second round would be around there.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:31 pm 
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Interesting take by Buckenara . He thinks we are in a Premiership window in the next 3 to 5 years . He rates our list highly so understandable . Reckon he is close to the mark and really we don't have any excuses . Time is now .


No doubt Injury was the main reason we missed the Finals.
I thought the players responded well to Vossy's new game plan. In fact we won 3 on the trot, and lost when we lost key players before the game and in the 1st quarter.

No doubt the wing was the position with more questions than answers having tried and turned over OBrien Setterfield Newnes, but I could see light with Cottrell.

So its a better run with injury, but Buckenara suggests we have gaps to fill. Moreso to improve our depth, but hinting the need to improve our No 1 Ruck too.

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LIST NEEDS

Talented genuine footballers, with skills, competitiveness and footy smarts are what they should continue to add.

The ruck stocks are thin and need attention but I must say Marc Pittonet has really improved and hopefully he can have some luck after his PCL injury, and changes his technique at centre bounces to avoid any future recurrences.

Tom De Koning is a couple of years away from playing his best footy but that probably won’t be as a sole ruck. His versatility is his strength but Pittonet’s injury certainly hampered the Blues.

They need a bit of experience to help the group take the next step. They’re in the window and have the chance to win a flag within the next five years, so a premiership/veteran player from another club would boost their hopes.


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TRADE TARGETS

More midfield class and some ruck depth to assist Pittonet are the key priorities during the trade period. A player like Karl Amon or Brad Hill would be ideal targets for the midfield while Rory Lobb would also add another forward/ruck option. Those three players are looking likely to go to other clubs, so Carlton must get creative. If Luke Jackson finds his way to the Dockers, then the Blues should make room for Sean Darcy and promise him the No.1 ruck role. They’d need to weigh up whether he’s better than Pittonet, but if Darcy wants out then the Blues should be a suitor. Or Darcy’s understudy in Lloyd Meek could be a cheaper alternative given the Blues’ cap space will understandably be tight.


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The Blues are set to grab Blake Acres from Fremantle, which is an interesting move. I thought Acres’ form for St Kilda was ordinary but he has developed his game a lot at the Dockers. He comes back to Melbourne a more complete player. He doesn’t have the same ball using ability as Amon but he’s got games under his belt. I’m not sure he’s a walk-up start but it’s a smart ‘Moneyball’ type pick to add to their wing depth.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-gary-buckenara-analyses-carltons-list-after-2022-season/news-story/f885fcdb3de7b5b4588ea7749bc7020e

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:35 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
After compo picks and academy/father son picks, our second round would be around there.



No doubt the Dockers would have their eye on our Pick 28, which is pretty valuable in this year's draft.

Surely we could upgrade the Jones compo pick (lets say start of round 3) which would be around pick 60 with the addition of picks 62 and 64.

Pick 28 is too valuable for Acres imo.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:59 pm 
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Pick 28 is way over for Acres.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:14 pm 
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Pick 28 is way over for Acres.


Totally agree .... all of a sudden he's an A- player !!!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:28 pm 
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Potential for McStay, DeGoey, Heppell, Amon, Johannisen free agent compensation.
Rowston, Ashcroft, Madden, Walter, possibly Keeler academy or father/son selections.
Throw in a potential Norf priority pick.

28 could become as low as 39 very quickly.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:33 pm 
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sharp fromgold coast reserves caught my eye and campbell from swans to impressive (john ralph said there is some vic clubs looking at him ),anyway no to Acres we need to add pace into the team he has alot of ticks to similar to what we have.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:34 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Potential for McStay, DeGoey, Heppell, Amon, Johannisen free agent compensation.
Rowston, Ashcroft, Madden, Walter, possibly Keeler academy or father/son selections.
Throw in a potential Norf priority pick.

28 could become as low as 39 very quickly.


Good point Spooky

Still a good pick in this year's draft...if we get lucky.

Of the Potential FA's I expect 3/5
Possibly 2 of the FS's will impact order
Norf priority...havent heard much about that for a while

There's the Academy kids this year too....One possible for GWS and one for Brizzy. Doubt Swans will have one this year.

I reckon our pick 28 will be pick 33-35.

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Yeah, that's probably where I expect it to land too.

Other thing is that it's probably unlikely we'd use two picks in the national draft at this point. 36 on the senior list currently. Acres takes that up to 37. You probably delist Fogarty, and re-rookie Setterfield. One pick in the draft leaves you with 36 senior list and 6 category A rookies.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:53 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Potential for McStay, DeGoey, Heppell, Amon, Johannisen free agent compensation.
Rowston, Ashcroft, Madden, Walter, possibly Keeler academy or father/son selections.
Throw in a potential Norf priority pick.

28 could become as low as 39 very quickly.

Clubs can’t match bids for Academy players until after pick 40. The rule is different for the northern academies per makey uppy. I think they still get pre-draft access.

I reckon Ashcroft, Fletcher, Michalanney, the good Davey & maybe Harvey would be the only sons with a chance to go before 28. Ashcroft certainly, Fletcher & Michalanney probably. The other two would need to test well.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:56 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Yeah, that's probably where I expect it to land too.

Other thing is that it's probably unlikely we'd use two picks in the national draft at this point. 36 on the senior list currently. Acres takes that up to 37. You probably delist Fogarty, and re-rookie Setterfield. One pick in the draft leaves you with 36 senior list and 6 category A rookies.

Setterfield would have to go through the draft to make it onto our rookie list.

The rule has changed.

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They will, however, be able to shift players on the senior list to the rookie list in the time between the national and rookie drafts if the player is contracted for 2022.


Given we'd still be under the total list size of 44, if we were to contract him on the senior list, then move him down, its possible.

The other rule change is that we're now required to take a minimum 3 selections again (first round pick, Owies elevation, and then you'd possibly take the piss with the rule, and elevate say Cottrell or LOB, while moving Setterfield to the rookie list so you've met your minimum 3).

Unless we expect him to go to Essendon*, or there's more to the Williams rumours, I can't see how we're going to be able to meet that minimum 3 rule.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:09 pm 
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Austin seems to want to put his mark on the team ... get rid of Stocker ... replace him with an old favourite in Boyd. Get rid of Setters (if true) ... more draft picks.
I thought without all our injuries, we were seriously close to doing some damage this year. I don't know why they are making so many changes.

Next thing we will be getting rid of SOS and Kennedy. :banghead:

Out:

Stocker
Parks
Williamson
Hayes
McDonald
Newnes
Setterfield (possible)
Williams (???)

We also get a pick for Jones.

I am still twisted that we let go of Stocker for nothing and yet we hold on to Fogarty. Looks like Essendon* will pick up Stocker. :mad: :mad: :mad:

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