do you think he will get a game this week

Rubbish he deserved a spot in the side what the hell has he done to be rewarded a spot before others, what has Livo and Wiggo done wrong? like to hear and see the reaction of those players that Setanta deserves a spot before them.

Synbad your telling me you didn't feel slight embarrassed especially when you talk him up so much.

Unlike you Synbad i am not fooled.

Setanta did struggle on Friday, he looked out of place, he did not know where to run & he did it all on his own in the forward line. In the 3rd quarter our fearless leader Kouta let his player drop back which meant Setanta was battling against 2 or sometimes 3 defenders with little help from our other forwards. I do believe Setanta should be playing in the seniors but only with Fev & Waite in the team. Setanta cannot play on the best defender just yet so he shouldn't have been asked to do the job he tried to do on the weekend. It did make him look stupid & I just hope his confidence isn't shot because of it.

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...and how should we make it easier for him, His 2 games to date have been against lowly ranked opposition in a position that he is designed to play. I can't see it getting any easier for him. Maybe if it were against Geelong or saints or Essendon* but fact is he polayed on a nobody and got towelled up nicely.

Maybe it's Lance's fault or Dennis or maybe just the culture of the club.

Here's an idea, maybe he, along with Norman, Laurie and all the re treads just haven't cut it. Let's now develop the draft picks we know wil make it and move forward.

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Ballisitic does have a point there, Livo along with Wiggins have not put a foot wrong and battled so hard for so long that they must feel some disappointment from the disbelief and lack of confidence shown by Denis.

I think what Synbad ment by we didn't make it easier for is that the delivery and the game plan made it more difficult for him, but that alone is no excuse he should have never had played and i think has caused more harm than good.

Livo and Wiggins have never kicked 7's, 5's and 4's for the bullants, and never indicated they could fill a forward role in the firsts that are missing their 2 best forwards

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Nice selective quoting there tyrant so you could push your own boring barrow again, instead of actually answering my question. You obviously haven't seen Longmuir play very often ... and certainly never when he is fit.

Isn't Maclaren a retread? Saddinton? Stevens? Carrazzo? should we have all of them playing in the magoos too so as you can see Edwards or Flint have a crack at the big time? Aisake is pretty young - surely we can get him off the rookie list instead of persiting with old man French every week.

...so whilst we're talking about narrow minded, tunnell visioned flawed strategies ....

puhlease.

i have seen longmuir fully fit, playing his best footy, and let me tell you. im still not impressed, i can only imagine carlton traded for him in a bid to lure the talented brother over at a later date.

Maclaren is a retread, sure, but in a position we are lacking. Saddington is a retread as we have a small number of taller defenders. Stevens and Carrazzo are retreads because our midfield was garbage.

the difference is Longmuir is a retread, playing shit footy, in a position that we have more than one option in. lets see...possible of playing in longmuirs position--
Lappin
Davies
Hopefully-Bower/Edwards

basically anyone.
maybe even setanta once he learns where to run and how to make space.

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Nice extremist and absolute synposis of my argument, which overlooks all the subtleties and, yes, the overall premise of my point. Greg Williams was a "re-tread" too, I suppose. And Barassi.

The definition of "re-tread" is essentially one whereby the player recruited has basically run his race at the club we got him from. Every guy we picked up from other clubs from 2002-now fits that category besides Stevens, and Scotland, McGrath and McLaren to a lesser extent. I know Scotland, McGrath and McLaren were probably still wanted by their clubs, but they haven't and won't be missed by them (as much as Stevens has been missed by Port). Thats your definition of re-tread. Guys who have lost their positions at the original club and were given a lifeline by Carlton. Longmuir definitely fits into that boat. A cheap trade for a guy who was about to be cut. Playing not many games in 5 years generally indicates how little your club values your input... especially when they recruit players in your position (Medhurst and Farmer).

Not all "re-treads" are duds. Some go on to be great players. Sadly, ours ARE duds. Carrazzo doesn't qualify as a full re-tread because he wasn't "tread" in the Geelong seniors so we don't know what he had to offer senior footy.... but he was a gamble that looks like its paying off. The others just aren't.

Yes, showbag, you're right to assume that I have just crawled out from under a bridge, and haven't seen any of Troy Longmuir's career.. but am basing this on old footy records that people throw off the bridge as they drive over me. I certainly have never seen Troy Longmuir, a player with zero physical presence, no capacity for distance running, and only one trick in his bag (ie, high leaping) play a good game.

And I certainly never saw Beasy, another guy with a great leap and many similarities with Longmuir, get de-listed after never making the grade.

And I'm certainly unable to define "selected quoting", as anything beyond just pressing the 'quote" button and simplifying your post to answer the question you raise. You know, where you ask a question, then answer it yourself. How dare I try and answer the question in front of us.

Jordan Doering dominates the VFL. Brett Backwell polled excellently in medal the year we delisted him. Setanta's kicked 7s 5s and 4s for the Ants and a lot of people think he's shit.

So far, there is nothing on Longmuir's CV to inspire confidence besides the fact that he can jump and has had some very very patient coaches in his career.

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and there my friends, is the winner into the corner of the baseline.

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Rubbish - he's got Excel (Advanced) & St John's First Aid

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In that case, he should be able to find a spot for himself in my Carlton spreadsheet, and mend my broken heart

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He also held down part itme work at hungry jacks (with glowing references) and volunteered at an old folks home in the summer of '99.

he is always punctual and is a people person.

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Yes Lappin and French are definitely no good.

sorry... the ones recruited by Pagan (though I suppose French technically might have been)... and again, if you READ the posts, you'll see that I identified "re-treads" as guys no longer needed by their clubs, and either about to be or were delisted by them. French and Lappin don't fit into that category.

Really people... you have to READ the posts before responding

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Don’t write Setanta off yet! He has played 2 games in his career. In these 2 games he was our key forward.. He looked out of place but he is not going to kick a bag when we the team had no forward structure.
I did like Setantas enthusiasm and the way he attacked the ball and made some good tackles even when he was outnumbered.
I do agree that Setanta should play for the twos this week but bring him back when we have FEV and Waite are firing.

He looked good in the NAB game against Geelong because he was our secondary forward.

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Some of you guys are pretty tough. Setanta has only played footy for about 4 years yet he shows more promise than some of the other wastes of space there who will NEVER make it - Livo, Prenda, Wiggins (need I go on).

By the way - I don't blame these guys as they go out there every week and give 110% effort (they are just not up to it)! I blame the coaching staff who keep these people on!

Lappin was shopped around by Saints because of his poor attitude. May have been delisted had we not taken him. French was playing second or third fiddle at Port. I hope I've READ the post and am allowed to respond.

shopped around doesn't mean "no good". We shopped around Fevola, but any team who might have picked him up could hardly consider him a "re-tread"

And French was 3rd or 4th string behind some champion-standard competition. Being 3rd or 4th string doesn't necessarily mean you're not good. French was no where near being delisted by Port, and thats the difference.

AND, they're not exactly good examples of re-treads Pagan has recruited... because only French can claim partial claim to that.

So, perhaps if you could narrow your objections to within the scope of my contention, then I could respond. Otherwise, I'm not hearing any support for Longmuir, Chambers, Brett Johnson et.al

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Why do you want us to help this guy become a footballer in the seniors? Surely you try to do things in the VFL or the VFL seconds, not the AFL!!

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