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Well...I assume you and other can't undestand the previous post...if so I ask:

If we are paying Koutoufides $1mil...why aren't other clubs paying players similar amounts?

Why do they not take adavantage of the "marketing allowance"???

Seriously...

What planet are you people on???


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Yes 1/2 of Kouta & Campo's salary (?$800K) was over & above the TPP that other club's pay. Other club's veterans are not paid that much.


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Yes 1/2 of Kouta & Campo's salary (?$800K) was over & above the TPP that other club's pay. Other club's veterans are not paid that much.


What are you saying???? I think you are making shit up.


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Come on...football salaries have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON THE CLUBS' BOTTOM LINE!!!

If you can't understand this, why post ???, just go post in "Talking Stuff"!!!


I actually agree that long term we shouldn't be looking to reduce salaries as a way of saving the club. But 92.5% of the salary cap is $5,827,500.
So taking Synbads $7million figure as gospel, we are paying arguably the worst list in the competition $1.1 million more then we need to. As we are going to lose around $1.5 million this year according to the press, of course that had an impact on our bottom line.

It shouldn't, and the difference between $6.3million and $5.99million isn't worth quibbling about. But Synbads (and others) point is that we are paying the worst list in the compway too much, I don't think anyone can possibly argue that paying only 100% of the salary cap is a bad idea. That saving of $750,000 represents half or our expected trading loss.

With the position the club is in, it matters. I'd rather pay a shit list less money, and invest more money in recruiting.


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For arguments sake .. if the salary cap is 6.3 million and were paying 92% of it.. it works out to around 5.8 million... thats the minimum we can pay.. and say Kouta is on a mill.. 500k is over that with 500k under it.. So even if were on 92% were paying 6.3 million.. But because we are broke we have to find the extra money somewhere.. which usually means credit from a bank.. which means interest paid or interest not saved...So if that happened for 3 years thats 1.5 million but interest over 3 years not saved or having to be paid would be another 200 odd thousand..

But we all know were not paying minimum 92%.. so take that figure up to say 98% of the salary cap and add Campo in there as well.. and you find yourself paying 6.2 odd million plus 700k over and above.. and yes there is also the marketing component.. so were paying around a million dollars extra a year .. PLUS interest on that...Which works out to around 3.25 million over three years at that kind of maxed out status quo..


While money invested means you should make money in our case were paying it to a bunch of hacks who have led us to the bottom of the ladder for the last 4 years... which then means were not paying that big money for the Judds Riewoldts Dal Santos and Browns to give us success.. which means were overinvesting in shithouse assets... and the revenue to sustain it all isnt coming in...because were last and the crowds , sponsors and tv dont want to pay good money to see Campo Kouta and Red...

Verbs i really think you should emerge from under your doona and see how the real world works.

You dont spend 5 million dollars doing up your hosue in Broadmeadows.

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verbs, it's really easy to work out.

50% of any vets salary isn't included in the salary cap. If your two vets are on a motza, it means that you can actually be paying significantly over 100% of the cap.

For a club that's struggling for dosh, and is also sitting on the bottom of the ladder, that's not a great scenario.


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How does a thread about the appointment of two assistant coaches become a discussion on player payments ?? :shock:

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Why is the sky blue?

I'm not unhappy with the appointments (not confirmed yet, by the way). The two gentleman involved are mature, experienced men. Their knowledge will be invaluable, and we will just have to wait and see whether their personalites allow them to be good teachers to our boys.

God knows the boys could do with some guidance!


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How does a thread about the appointment of two assistant coaches become a discussion on player payments ?? :shock:


I tried to steer it back in that direction, but seem to have failed.

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JohnM wrote:
verbs, it's really easy to work out.

50% of any vets salary isn't included in the salary cap. If your two vets are on a motza, it means that you can actually be paying significantly over 100% of the cap.

For a club that's struggling for dosh, and is also sitting on the bottom of the ladder, that's not a great scenario.


What is significantly over the salary cap though?

$1,000,000?


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I'd try to explain Sheik but it may run into another 9 pages 8)

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For arguments sake .. if .. and say Kouta.. So even if .. which usually means ...So if that happened .. so take that figure up to say ..


So this is your real world - a series of ifs and buts - based on your main theme (only theme actually) that everything is the players fault. You said Carlton were "wooden spooners but spent the fifth most amount in salaries of all the clubs" which means you should have all the figures that show this statement to be true. So let's see them. Otherwise, get back in your corner.


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If Daniher has been cut by two or three other clubs, why did we take him?

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Joffe, an explanation was given way back on page 1 or 2.

None of Daniher's ex-clubs seem to have anything bad to say about him. He may have been the scape-goat at Collingwood, when the Pie fans were screaming for changes after their GF loss. Who knows?

I'm sure the club would know if there was a lot of negative vibes about him in the marketplace.


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For what it's worth............

i like Terry Daniher........he makes me laugh......!

and if i remember correctly.......a bloody good
footballer too......so if he can bring a smile to the guys
faces......and teach them a little about the game.......
that'll do me.........!

and a man with great taste in clothes is alright
by me.........so Gary should be good too...........!


kindest regards tommi



i reeeeally want to believe..............!

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I think both inclusions are a real positive. Hopefully they can put up with the senior coach.


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billy_bongo wrote:
Synbad wrote:
For arguments sake .. if .. and say Kouta.. So even if .. which usually means ...So if that happened .. so take that figure up to say ..


So this is your real world - a series of ifs and buts - based on your main theme (only theme actually) that everything is the players fault. You said Carlton were "wooden spooners but spent the fifth most amount in salaries of all the clubs" which means you should have all the figures that show this statement to be true. So let's see them. Otherwise, get back in your corner.



Oi! Bongo!!!????!!!.. show me your proof im wrong.
Show me where Kouta isnt on a million dollars.. where he isnt on the vets list.. and where we havent had to dip in to the promo money.

And ummmmmmmm where we havent been a shit side for 4 years...

If you cant.. get back in your bongo box...

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wait, I'm confused... is Synbad saying that Kouta loves Oingo Boingo?

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wait, I'm confused... is Synbad saying that Kouta loves Oingo Boingo?


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PSST FY thanks for your back up but its fairly obvious whatever Verbs was on last nite he was having a bad trip.

I think they are sound appointments by the club TD ( a good forward and back later in his career) has a rep with the kids and working well with them. Someone who can teach the youngins is something what we need seems there doesnt appear to be much of this coming from our senior crew.

Dempsey was a descent ruckman. Has Dempsey ruck coached any of the AFl sides? Or had senior coaching experience? I have missed any info about this part of his pedigree?

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