IIRC Brodie Holland grew up supporting us, the prick!

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Braithy

Saad is at the end of his impactful ability in his career, I would have thought that was obvious, and probably has been for two years. Has lost speed, agility and his disposal has become questionable at best, do you really want those attributes added to a wing or CBA where players we have in both areas, already have similar faults? AFAIK this is his last year of contract, so he should be put up for trade at the end of this year or delisted if no offers.

Lord inside mid - yeah maybe - I have seen him at CBA and have impact, he has also had impact on the wing. Hardly a major issue player/option wise and definitely a keeper IMO.

Effort? Its there mate. It and Surrey also highlights it, comes down to the mental fragility of our team (especially some/all of the leadership group) and the balance of how to manage good starts and maintain them. Its also, a question of how they have managed the players fitness. Maybe not so much against the Dees, but certainly in our other two games, which they were gassed at half time. Then u add in their inability to maintain some sort of execution of effort. That's both fitness and mental application. Both are not directly areas which a head coach can simply "fix". Fitness I would say, yes, Voss should be leaning on our so called super duper performance coach, or whatever his title is and one which Wright went and got. Not sure Voss is a psychiatrist and able to counsel them to improve their mental application? Lets not forget the mental issues, I refer to, have been ingrained in many on our current list which, were in the team prior to Voss starting.

I have posted elsewhere - Wright has set up Voss to fail. On one hand he says no number has been set for games won this season, on the other hand - he says - if we dont finish top ten, then whats the point? Then he slipped (IMO) when he said we went with a "mini" re-build at the last draft. Really? which players would u call a rebuild component form the last draft?

The question of getting a new coach - its groundhog day again - its revolving doors - again. I ask, who is going to take this list with all of the above issues in mind, anywhere near top 8 or better, within the next 4/5 years? Who would want to?

So many things have made the Carlton Bed of incompetence as it stands right now and I think Voss is hardly the main part. I read somewhere (I have not fact checked) - but Voss has the third best win/loss ratio of Carlton Coaches (I think that may have been applied to a sample of years but still) It is far too simple and not correct to think that sacking Voss is the way to go....

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God I'm sick of being the laughing stock.

Sorry braithy, it's been happening from last year even as far back as the final with the lions.

Yes they are very respected in the football world

Wow that's a damning stat, thanks Sidefx.

Byrne, nice first game, love the way he attacks the body and ball. I though he may have come under scrutiny for the block he laid of the ball that caused the Demon to go to the ground. His block on opponents helped us get 2 goals, you wont see that on the stat sheet.

Carroll keeps getting involved, made a few mistakes but still another step forward.

Cripps was left with egg on his face, what was the carry on after kicking a goal in the first qtr, roughing up the young Demon. Shit look from the Captain.

Dean, love his enthusiasm and desire to win every contest, obviously needs some development, needs to learn that he doesn't need to get involved in every high ball coming in. Nice left foot.

Hewitt's not the same player as last year. Both he and Cripps make us look very slow when the game opens up.

McKay, gives up so easy, he's playing like he's conceded we're not playing finals.

Everyone can see that our midfield mix is probably the slowest out of almost every club. But we have no one with any pace playing magoos or injured. Cerra is faster than Hewitt or Cripps sure, but he's not quick. Lord is not quick, tho I really like him. Ben Campo not quick and disposal is questionable. Who else do we have on the list?

We have a loads of spare defenders tho. Wilson, Saad, Newman, Boyd (who has to be better than Cowan, and he's our best kick), Charleson, Haynes, Derksen.

But no developing mids

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It's not so much about speed in the middle, it's setting up.
Our rucks are all about negating not winning.
When we negate the opposition the ball drops and we are all in close and more than not our strength prevails, when the opposition rucks clear the area we are too close to catch the opposition and they are away.

True about the setting up in the middle however we lack speed all over the ground, Cripps and Hewitt cant keep up with their opponents running up and down the ground.

You can add, at a few centre bounces we had no-one starting in the defensive side of the square (behind our ruckman). It was left open for Gawn and company to just tap and run into. Mind scratching.

Yep, this is what I was referring to.
That first entry was Ollie, nothing more to add.
The second entry was the one that really got me going, there were 2 players at the 40m mark that could've had the short option if the eyes were lowered and even if they wanted to go for McKay, the kick was too short and put him too far behind the drop. And this was when we were fresh with momentum.
You can't coach that.
Frustrating is putting it nicely.

Here is another with our tackling.

https://x.com/CarltonFCBlues/status/2038452283533570344

Yep the forward mid connection. As Doc has said, the list isn't good enough....look at so many lists across the comp and use see pacy quality ball users. Not many of those at Carlton; doesn't help when the key position depth/quality is also not great.

Not to say the coaches should be free from criticism.

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https://x.com/7AFL/status/2038543307962540322

Some of the kicks were under pressure....the pre season talk is usual Cornes stuff, but have a look at the kicks that were taken when the player WAS NOT under pressure.

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Yes but when you are 5-10 meters off your man to start off with and pretend to chase you will never catch them

Not really a fan of Cornes but geez it's hard to argue with his point.

Here is another one.

https://x.com/1116sen/status/2038400051966550516?s=20

I get your point, but a lack of speed changes the set up.
When you are slow you need to stay closer to your man or you need to give them a couple of meters on the defensive side to give yourself a chance.
Players know their limits and I highly doubt coaching would be saying, give them 5-10m, because if they were and it wasn't working, both the players and coaches would reduce that distance.
But from what we have seen, when they are fresh we can play a different set up, but as we tire (mainly from poor disposals) we become lazy and unaccountable.
Oppositions teams only have to have 1 strategy and that is wait, wait until we run ourselves out of legs and then go to work.
Unfortunately for us, the solution is a lot more complex, it is a lack of speed, skill and mental fortitude.
I am not saying coaching hasn't got some part in this (for me it is player selection), but the players are well below AFL standards in a lot of important metrics and athletic ability.

Pros:

Played some good footy early. Scoring didn't entirely dry up in the second half.
McGovern, Weiters, Jagga, Elijah.
Better game from Ainsworth.
Nice to see Evans back in the team.
Liked what I saw from Byrne.
Carroll and Dean encouraging.

Cons:

Mental demons and inability to match opposition run or pressure again, the longer the game went.
Don't mind the MC trying things out, but the Walsh/Pickett match up didn't work. Walsh was pretty good, but Pickett was BOG. We needed to shut him down.
Tackling.
Simply not getting enough out of senior players like Cripps, Harry, Hewett, O.Hollands, etc.
Hayward's forward entries were horrible.
Young's dump kicks out of defence were horrible.
Kemp only seems to have a quarter in him at the moment.
I think Chessar is worth persisting with, but he panics with his disposal right now.
O'Keeffe needs to have more impact. Time to try Reidy again.
Inconsistent adjudication for holding the ball.

Yes , noticed that Suzz . Terrible setup especially as Gawn was so dominant . Bewildering to say the least . Simple basic stuff .

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