Anyone who thinks Hayward & Ainsworth are going to Cover Charlie's Goals next year are kidding themselves!!

Hayward kicked 29 Goals
Ainsworth kicked 23 Goals

Those Two will be lucky to kick 15 each next year. Not because they are not capable nor good enough, but because they are playing for Carlton where they will not have the luxury of ball delieveries they are used to when playing under Elite Midfields ( Swans & Suns).


You guys can day dream all you want and you can get excited for next year only to get angry & disappointed, But I am not going to fall for it YET Again. Enough of this BS from the Club & from the fans too.


Reality is, Next year is going to be a struggle. We will finish bottom 3. We will not be able to kick a Winning Score anywhere enough to even make us competitve. Add to that the expected Injuries to Key Players and the under-performance of players who promise alot but deliver nothing.

I am not against what the Club did in the Trade Period. I really think they did a Great Job. They have set us up for success in 3-4 years time. I just wish they were more honest and said " Our Rebuild starts now".

Every decision they made and every Pick they selected indicates we are heading towards a re-build of 3-5 years. Why not just bloody say it?


Don't come out and say we have improved our list and we are a good chance of Finals again. Whom are you kidding? We lost our best 3 players. They can not be replaced no matter how many excuses you can give.

IF anyone here thinks we are a finals chance, plz tell me where the Goals will come from!!


Look. I know my Posts always seem to be so Negative, do you think I want to be Negative or enjoy being Negative? Havn't we learned anything from the past 20 years?
You can be as Positive as you want, All i am asking from Carlton Fans is to be realistic and prepare when things don't go our way!

And here was me thinking a good night sleep may have help your thoughts on the trades.

Are you sure you aren't on youtube?

Regards Cazzesman

Not on Yotube thank God, but I was on SEN this afternoon, speaking with Dwayne Rusell about Carlton

Good for you. No bad language I hope. The Pipe quickly hits the mute if the convo heads that way.

Regards Cazzesman

Good for you. No bad language I hope. The Pipe quickly hits the mute if the convo heads that way.

Regards Cazzesman

Has anyone put up a list of all the players who’ve now left (including delistings and retirements) and all the new arrivals?

You deserve a medal if you can listen to SEN for more than 15 minutes. If completely baffles me how many adverts they play in a row.

I did an AI search and got this.

Advertising on Melbourne Radio.

Radio stations in Melbourne can play between 12 to 18 minutes of advertisements in a 60-minute hour, depending on their specific programming and advertising strategy. 20-30% per hour



Nope not for me.

Regards Cazzesman

If you add up the points, assuming Swans finish 8th the next two years and we finish 010th, I reckon we got the equivalent of Pick 3 plus Hayward or Pick 1 if you value Hayward at Pick 20.

Has anyone put up a list of all the players who’ve now left (including delistings and retirements) and all the new arrivals?

That's a lot of height we've lost in one preseason. 2026 is going to b a tough slog I think

You can try put any spin on it You like but we lost 3 players who had been at the club for nearly 10 years and went through years of losses on the basis that they were building a team to have a tilt.
Last trade period they went out and went back into rebuild mode.
The players who has been there through all the shit were pissed off and it reflected the way they played.
I don't blame them for bailing out.
If they had done Last year what they did this year and brought in players who were AFL ready then maybe the splitters might have stayed. We would have had depth to cover injury.

I suspect this year they have tried to recover trying to circumvent a Walsh Weiters Harry and Cripps exit next trade period.

They messed this up big time

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Good point. Docherty made a comment that the senior players weren’t happy with the list decisions last year. Can’t really blame them. We had everything banked on this senior group and we didn’t see it through

Can you please break this down and explain it? I’m honestly not being a smart arse, I’m genuinely interested in how you landed there (and I want to believe it!)

Hypothetical.
Let's put this deal into numbers with the following assumptions:
1. 2 band 1 compo picks per draft and 2 band 2 to a team in the bottom 8 (4 in total in the 1st round)
2. Tassie are in the 2027 draft (picks #1,3,5,7,9,11 & 13 in round 1 and I'd assume pick #26 in round 2)
3. And:
Sydney ladder position
2026 - 6th (pick 13)
2027 - 2nd (pick 17)

Carlton ladder position
2026 - 8th (pick 11)
2027 - 6th (pick 13)

Charlie
Pick #31 - 429
Pick #42 - 202
2027 2nd rounder (pick #35 + Tassie 8 picks = #43) - 184
Total pick value = 815 (pick #19)

Hayward
Pick #11 - 1205
2026 1st rounder (pick #15) - 973
2027 1st rounder (pick #19 + Tassie 7 picks = #26) - 561
Total pick value = 2739 (pick #2 + #39)

This is a pretty good deal.
I assume we now trade picks to get a player and Dean?

Picks #9 + #11 = Pick #2.

They had their opportunity and it was the players who weren't capable of seeing it through. Docherty is a sook and Charlie has shown himself to be ones as well.
Good riddance. The club is here to build sustainable success. Giving players a chance to participate in finals isn't our mission. It's to build for premierships.
Personally I'm happy to see the back of a few of them.

Hayward will be great value. He'll play the Jack Martin role we missed badly this year. A mid sized forward who can impact in the air and is dangerous on the ground. People can talk him down but he's averaged over 30 goals per season the last 5 years. How many of our players have done that?
Wing has been an issue for us for a number of years and Florent/Chesser will be a great combination if Chesser can stay fit.
Ainsworth will be great value as well.
Put Ainsworth, Hayward, Florent, Chesser, Jagga, Newman, a fit Cerra, a fit Walshy, a stronger HOK and Dean into our 2025 team and it's significantly better IMHO.

The unpredictability ahead of the ball will be a huge bonus. People forget we were a top 4 scoring team in 2024. The capability is there. We didn't lose the ability to be a high scoring team overnight. It was structure.
We were too busy using our forwards to protect our leaky midfield which impacted our ability to have a strong, effective forward set up.
Get Jagga, a fit Walsh and a fit Cerra with quality and quick wingers around them, and our scoring power will quickly return.
I don't buy the doom. I'm hanging to see what we can produce in 2026.