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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 8:00 am 
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Doc has only played a handful of games since coming back from a knee reco. Why are we so certain he can’t find some form again? I mean he may be cooked, but the sample size is pretty small to determine that categorically. Since he’s on the list for this year, I’m willing to give him some more time


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doc was pretty cooked prior to the knee mate. at the ground, watching his final 4 or 5 games before the knee, he couldn't run at afl level. opponents would stream past him, and he couldn't chase them. he'd be jogging his hardest while his direct opponent would tap the jets and be gone. he along with pittonet encapsulated us being too slow.

so, he was already a huge liability, and his direct opponent was getting off the chain. now, things are much much worse. he's not even committing his body when he can somehow get to the contest.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 8:02 am 
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doc just can't run at afl level anymore. he's a liability no matter what his vfl form suggests. not sure who we have in the reggies we could have used, maybe a campo twin?

Binns is the best fit from the reserves. We’re getting dangerously close to asset preservation with him.

As for Doc, his preseason has been all about working from inside to out, so I’d hope he’s not coming in to patrol a fat side wing. If we can bring him in as a sub to play 20-25 minutes as a centre-forward, he’ll probably rack up half a dozen clearances amongst 10-15 possessions.



Binns. of course. i keep forgetting about him.

bondi doesn't like him, says his disposal isn't afl level. but at least he can all day. rob peter, to pay paul etc


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:11 am 
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Beautiful day for footy.

Good to see a few Carlton fans have stopped pointing the bones at Carlton, and seeing the ability of the team for what it is rather than looking at the coach and team as one big disability. U

We are building.

Doc did his ACL in round 1 2024.
His preseason was brilliant. He was flying.
In his last 4 games in 2023 he was flying. How could one forget that Docherty mark in 2023 Final vs Melb, followed by the 50 m precision kick to Acres who marked and kicked the winning goal? Someone obviously has.

Doc was clearly our best over 4 quarters last week in VFL. I don’t think he’s in top form, but he didn’t look cooked to me. Ben played a good first half, Lucas was serviceable, and to say Doc is cooked after a BOG is a cheap shot at the output of the twins ability more than anything. They were not bad at all. Doc was just better.

You can only pick best player available for the job.

I trust Voss to make decisions that give us the best chance to win.

I still maintain, we were not far off the pace in the first 4 rounds. I bad last qtr v Tigers, a bad 3rd quarter v Pies, bad kicking for goal against Hawks and Dogs cost us. Plenty to work on, and work with.

Have no doubt we can win today at Adelaide Oval. Boys have been playing 4 quarters in last 3 games. That’s all that has changed.

Vossys game plan suits the list he has inherited. Injury is our enemy.

Blues by 4 goals.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:48 am 
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This game is a big test for our defensive coach and team strategy in general. Especially with Silvagni out. Jack would have been the perfect match up for Taylor Walker IMHO. Walker has been a match up issue for us the past few times as he has a skill set that none of our defenders have been able to counter.
He's quick and strong on the lead which hasn't suited our defenders who like to defend from behind but his most damage is when he pushes out to the 50. Weitering wants to drop off forwards once they get outside 40 on the lead to be an intercept option. Also because the risk is generally lower the further they get from goal.
The problem with Walker is he can kick a goal easily from 50+ or he's such a beautiful field kick, he hits up team mates if he has time and space. He's the one forward who has exposed Weiters weaknesses when he plays on him.
McGovern is possibly a good match up for Walker. Walker is quick but not strong overhead. Gov has the pace to go with him on the lead.

Personally, I'd rather see Weitering take Thilthorpe for a number of reasons. Thilthorpe is quite a bit taller which may suit Young better but Weiters has a great ability to move taller players off the drop zone to prevent them marking the ball. He also has the strength to go with Thilthorpe. Fogarty would be a good match up for him as well but if I was Matthew Nicks, that's the match up that would suit me. Fogarty is expendable. A good player but currently playing under duress and he'll serve his purpose well if he can do a defensive job. They'll just get him to run Weitering out off the play at every opportunity.

Keays is obviously the other problem. He has exposed us as well by dropping off the play and kicking goals on Saad. The decision for the coaches is do they let one of our running defensive players concede goals but hopefully have an impact on our transition game resulting in goals going the other way? Or do they sacrifice his run and attempt to shut down a Keays which suits the Crows.

Midfield dominance is the key. The Crows are undermanned down back. Harry should get off the chain and have a big impact today. Especially if Butts plays on him.
If we can get enough supply, we can kick a winning score. Does Hewett take care of Rankine when he's in the middle? Containing him will go a long way to a win.
The highest scoring team (Crows) against one of the best defensive units (us). It should be a beauty.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 11:12 am 
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I hope Doc is only the sub. Dominating the VFL is all well and good, and not surprising because he's an experienced and skilful player, but the AFL is another level of physical demand. Many players get exposed by the step up, and I reckon 31yo/3ACL Doc is one of them. At least coming on fresh in (fingers crossed) the final quarter will mitigate that weakness. Here's hoping his trajectory is like Haynes's. I'll freely admit that the Brisbane debacle has compromised my objectivity. Still far from forgiveness.

Speaking of Haynes, is he an option for Keays? Went against a small vs Geelong and dominated. Smarts beating speed.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 12:28 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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doc just can't run at afl level anymore. he's a liability no matter what his vfl form suggests. not sure who we have in the reggies we could have used, maybe a campo twin?

Binns is the best fit from the reserves. We’re getting dangerously close to asset preservation with him.

As for Doc, his preseason has been all about working from inside to out, so I’d hope he’s not coming in to patrol a fat side wing. If we can bring him in as a sub to play 20-25 minutes as a centre-forward, he’ll probably rack up half a dozen clearances amongst 10-15 possessions.



Binns. of course. i keep forgetting about him.

bondi doesn't like him, says his disposal isn't afl level. but at least he can all day. rob peter, to pay paul etc


If you're looking for a strong physical AFL presence from Binns you will be disappointed.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 12:48 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
This game is a big test for our defensive coach and team strategy in general. Especially with Silvagni out. Jack would have been the perfect match up for Taylor Walker IMHO. Walker has been a match up issue for us the past few times as he has a skill set that none of our defenders have been able to counter.
He's quick and strong on the lead which hasn't suited our defenders who like to defend from behind but his most damage is when he pushes out to the 50. Weitering wants to drop off forwards once they get outside 40 on the lead to be an intercept option. Also because the risk is generally lower the further they get from goal.
The problem with Walker is he can kick a goal easily from 50+ or he's such a beautiful field kick, he hits up team mates if he has time and space. He's the one forward who has exposed Weiters weaknesses when he plays on him.
McGovern is possibly a good match up for Walker. Walker is quick but not strong overhead. Gov has the pace to go with him on the lead.

Personally, I'd rather see Weitering take Thilthorpe for a number of reasons. Thilthorpe is quite a bit taller which may suit Young better but Weiters has a great ability to move taller players off the drop zone to prevent them marking the ball. He also has the strength to go with Thilthorpe. Fogarty would be a good match up for him as well but if I was Matthew Nicks, that's the match up that would suit me. Fogarty is expendable. A good player but currently playing under duress and he'll serve his purpose well if he can do a defensive job. They'll just get him to run Weitering out off the play at every opportunity.

Keays is obviously the other problem. He has exposed us as well by dropping off the play and kicking goals on Saad. The decision for the coaches is do they let one of our running defensive players concede goals but hopefully have an impact on our transition game resulting in goals going the other way? Or do they sacrifice his run and attempt to shut down a Keays which suits the Crows.

Midfield dominance is the key. The Crows are undermanned down back. Harry should get off the chain and have a big impact today. Especially if Butts plays on him.
If we can get enough supply, we can kick a winning score. Does Hewett take care of Rankine when he's in the middle? Containing him will go a long way to a win.
The highest scoring team (Crows) against one of the best defensive units (us). It should be a beauty.
Crows last 2 games haven't exactly been high scores.
They have a good forward line cut off supply and we will win.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 12:49 pm 
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We have to win the midfield battle here to win, which I think we can do.

Need a 22 man effort tho, like last week

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 1:22 pm 
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Last week the debate was whether Young plays or not.
I thought we would win whether young played or not.
This week, the same with Doc.
We will win whether he’s sub or subtracted

Point is neither of the above are useless, and can, have and will play a role at AFL level again this year.
Silly to think otherwise. If they were useless, they wouldn’t get a look in.

The team has hit form, applying pressure for 4 quarters.
It’s about the collective.

I’m not spooked by Keays
We have been pressing up all year, as we had in the past when Keays has found space out the back.
So did Geelong, but we continued to press up, and we won because we played our way and didn’t react to individuals. I think we have adjusted the press to make in work more than not.

We have chemistry.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 1:28 pm 
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Our midfield group has played well every week this year.
Walsh from a HFF

Walsh may not have been his incredible self in first couple games, but he didn’t fail.

We have lost the ability to rotate Williams through midfield, where he’s been good. Our midfield group is super fit and physical. Without Couch…..Crows will be weakened. Get ball first and Crows can chase tail. That’s what I think will happen.

McKay and Curnow. They are the names Crows defenders are having nightmares over.

Today we turn the tables. The players know our record over there.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 2:07 pm 
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Our midfield is superior to theirs.

Going down to tommi's to watch the game with Tyrants & Jarusa.

I'm bringing musk sticks. Carlton by 127 points.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 2:26 pm 
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Our midfield is superior to theirs.

Going down to tommi's to watch the game with Tyrants & Jarusa.

I'm bringing musk sticks. Carlton by 127 points.



Send my best regards.
I’ve been thinking about tommi of late, and Jared’s the legend.
Tyrant. There’s a blast from the past

Blues by more than them.
Might be a spanking

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 3:17 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 3:44 pm 
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Win this and we go straight up to 5th..........temporarily.
But we really need this to stay in touch with the top 8.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 3:53 pm 
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Bizzare.

I hope this isn't one we've already lost at the selection table.


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Not sure about this, Docherty gives us more flexibility and impact as sub, but glad it’s not Lord.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 4:14 pm 
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Why is Burgoyne call our defence stingy.
Odd terminology.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 4:21 pm 
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doc two kicks, two turnovers


lots of missed tackles, just throwing arms out while they shrug us off. not a very good omen, and not a very good start.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 4:21 pm 
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Just so damn predictable. Going to script.


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