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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:34 am 
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That's why we were wrong not to contest the Hayes suspension.


That one pissed me off more than Cripps to be honest.
It was a legitimate and fair tackle made "dangerous" because the tackled player threw his free arm out to draw the umpire's attention rather than using it to brace his fall.


Me too. Cripps copping 2 didn't surprise and I'll be shocked albeit very pleasantly shocked if this appeal gets up.
The Hayes one was complete BS. Didn't pin the arms and was one action.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:25 pm 
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Seems pretty obvious to me. We should argue Cripps was trying to take possession of the ball on his chest, akin to a player taking a chest mark. A major part of the AFL's argument against Cripps was that he could have had his arms outstretched...

“He could’ve taken the ball with his arms outstretched, which would’ve meant there was no act of bumping at all ... Cripps changed his shape prior to impact from simply attempting to gather the ball to a bumping position in which he was airborne, that would very likely cause high contact to an opponent.”

Cripps should argue hew was trying to take possession of the ball on his chest which he has every right to do, and then at the last minute saw Ah Chee and tried to avoid the collision but it was too late.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:28 pm 
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I'd put it back on the AFL.

I'd say Cripps was the one who was trying to avoid the contact, whereas Ah Chee was blind and completely negligible as a result, showing no care for the other player.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:39 pm 
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Plowman tried to take a mark with his arms outstretched and still got a couple of weeks off.
The MRO/Tribunal are flower.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:56 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
Plowman tried to take a mark with his arms outstretched and still got a couple of weeks off.
The MRO/Tribunal are flower.


I think that one was a bit different.
IIRC Plowman ran in on a long runway, and arguably lined JOM up.
Cripps didn't really have time to line CAC up.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:59 pm 
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The problem with all of this is the AFL are making judgements based off millisecond reactions, and arguably are trying to read players' minds.
How dare they say Cripps chose to bump. They don't know what was going through his mind.
If they want to do it this way they should simply have black and white rules.
If you concuss anyone then you're out.
Players then need to be mindful to not go anywhere near the head.
And as I think someone alluded to what happens if you take a mark but in the process knock someone out?
Do you get off because you took the mark?
But you can get suspended if you dropped the mark?
It is all rather ridiculous.
Kangaroo Court BS.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:05 pm 
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Yep. Completely riiiiiiiiidiculous!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:40 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
All this just confirms the AFL's bullshit stance of decisions being made on outcomes. Therefore now we know that if you are the bigger player especially the ruckman you can't go for a contested ball unless the opposition player is of equal size and not likely to be concussed. What is this game?

This is the issue I have too.
The same incident can have completely different outcomes. One may get injured and another play on. It should not come down to whether there is injury or not. I remember when players could be charged with intending to strike or kick and would get suspended. It is such a stupid way to decide a penalty. There is no consideration for a player's good/bad record anymore.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:52 pm 
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kezza wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
All this just confirms the AFL's bullshit stance of decisions being made on outcomes. Therefore now we know that if you are the bigger player especially the ruckman you can't go for a contested ball unless the opposition player is of equal size and not likely to be concussed. What is this game?

This is the issue I have too.
The same incident can have completely different outcomes. One may get injured and another play on. It should not come down to whether there is injury or not. I remember when players could be charged with intending to strike or kick and would get suspended. It is such a stupid way to decide a penalty. There is no consideration for a player's good/bad record anymore.


Yes, I do believe Cripps has a pretty good record.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:01 pm 
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Josh Kennedy charged at Docherty with an extended arm/elbow and got him late but Docherty bounced back up so only 1 week.

Same with Rioli, got off because Rowell has a hard head.

Cotchin sling tackle gets off this week, Tim Kelly gets suspended for the same thing.

It's a complete farce.

Cripps didn't even hit Ah Chee's head.

Ah Chee knocked himself out by hitting his head on the ground in an aerial contest for the ball against a bigger opponent.

Any notion that you can't jump for a ball unless it's a marking contest or a bigger player should sit out contests or wait for a smaller player to take the ball first to protect them is ludicrous and not football.

Why doesn't Ah Chee have any duty of care over his own head?

Why didn't he make a split second decision to pull out? (That's what she said)

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Why put ourselves through this angst?

He's getting 2 weeks tonight. For the 3rd time.

Take on city hall? Know what's coming

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:16 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:22 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
Why put ourselves through this angst?

He's getting 2 weeks tonight. For the 3rd time.

Take on city hall? Know what's coming


Why put ourselves through this angst ? no angst at all . On the contray. Exhilaration for me . Our Club fighting back against the Empire .

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:43 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Seems pretty obvious to me. We should argue Cripps was trying to take possession of the ball on his chest, akin to a player taking a chest mark. A major part of the AFL's argument against Cripps was that he could have had his arms outstretched...

“He could’ve taken the ball with his arms outstretched, which would’ve meant there was no act of bumping at all ... Cripps changed his shape prior to impact from simply attempting to gather the ball to a bumping position in which he was airborne, that would very likely cause high contact to an opponent.”

Cripps should argue hew was trying to take possession of the ball on his chest which he has every right to do, and then at the last minute saw Ah Chee and tried to avoid the collision but it was too late.


If he’d taken the ball with arms outstretched he would have opened his chest and rib cage up to a damaging hit from Ah Chee which could have broken his ribs. And the ball would,have been easily jarred free.

He was simply trying to take possession in the best way possible.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:02 pm 
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Club can't win.

We appeal - why go through all this bs?

We don't appeal - why didn't we appeal?!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:05 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Why put ourselves through this angst?

He's getting 2 weeks tonight. For the 3rd time.

Take on city hall? Know what's coming


Why put ourselves through this angst ? no angst at all . On the contray. Exhilaration for me . Our Club fighting back against the Empire .


We are the Navy Blues
We are the old dark navy Blues
We’re the team that never lets you down
We’re the only team all Carlton knows.

With all the champions
They like to send us
We’ll keep our ends up
And they'll know that they've been playing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:14 pm 
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Reckon it sends a great message to our playing group . We'll fight . We'll fight no matter how bleak it seem's . Hopefully it will rub off on the boys .

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:15 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Why put ourselves through this angst?

He's getting 2 weeks tonight. For the 3rd time.

Take on city hall? Know what's coming


Why put ourselves through this angst ? no angst at all . On the contray. Exhilaration for me . Our Club fighting back against the Empire .


We are the Navy Blues
We are the old dark navy Blues
We’re the team that never lets you down
We’re the only team all Carlton knows.

With all the champions
They like to send us
We’ll keep our ends up
And they'll know that they've been playing
Against the famous old dark Blues!

Da da da da da :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:38 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
That's why we were wrong not to contest the Hayes suspension.


That one pissed me off more than Cripps to be honest.
It was a legitimate and fair tackle made "dangerous" because the tackled player threw his free arm out to draw the umpire's attention rather than using it to brace his fall.


You've got no idea what Ah Chee was going to do when the ball was punched in the air for anyone to catch it if they got their first. Cripps didnt either.

Neverthelss,

If you BOTH agree Cripps is guilty, tell me what would you have expected Cripps to do differently? I'm curious. AFL haven't told us what he should have done.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:39 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Wojee wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
That's why we were wrong not to contest the Hayes suspension.


That one pissed me off more than Cripps to be honest.
It was a legitimate and fair tackle made "dangerous" because the tackled player threw his free arm out to draw the umpire's attention rather than using it to brace his fall.


Me too. Cripps copping 2 didn't surprise and I'll be shocked albeit very pleasantly shocked if this appeal gets up.
The Hayes one was complete BS. Didn't pin the arms and was one action.



You too rhino

Enlighten me...what should Cripps have done?

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