Poor old SB. Some things never change.

I'm as gutted as any one else but sheesh, I thought we'd be flogged by 100.

Instead I saw a very good team performance, especially the defensive unit. Collingwood had to work damn hard for their goals and in a positive development, I cannot think of there being many over the back goals where the forward runs 30m into an open goal.

We were destroyed in the first 10 minutes of the last quarter, but the boys rallied and managed to pile on 3 goals almost against the run of play. And yes, that's when we did seem to change our mind set. But I know this holds no water with many, but for mine, its part of the learning curve. You can scream at Bolts all you like, but the guys on the field are the ones that have to do it. And the more these events happen, the more they will learn.

We are improving. We ran the grand finalists and the current flag favourites to the wire.

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We are going to be a serious side

I think SB is talking about a club's mindset - the club doesn't care about wins...it just wants to develop... but if that is the case then the trading of picks for Stoker is madness - unless, unless the club does care, thought in fact that they were ready to win, planned to win, desired to win....of course none of that...not even the Will to win comes without belief and experience - each feeding the other to develop and strengthen the Will - we are growing but we are still brittle because ultimately we have not the belief - not in the close ones...not when the pressure builds and builds - Weitering succumbed to that pressure late yesterday...but he will learn...next time he will kick long to Kruse and Cripps because the side will demand he learn that lesson...and so on.

I hate this year more than the previous years, hate it cos it hurts how close we are, how very close...hate it cos I know we need the furnace week after week, we need to be tempered in the heat of battle, serious battle...yesterday was serious...the pressure throughout was enormous...and in that pressure we had Cripps with clean hands and they had Pendlebury, Sidebottom and Treloar (compare that experience to Cripps, Fisher, Dow, SPS - and Dow was great yesterday)- but we are coming...we just need to win a couple...for my heart's sake.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Yesterday’s effort was fantastic
but eventually the dam wall burst open in the
last 5 minutes
SOS has recruited too many players
that move the ball slowly

I can say Setterfield is a bust after 6 games
He is a slow big bodied mid ACL or no ACL
We needed to recruit guys that can spread
and move the ball quickly
SOS is a proctected species
As I have said before he went the quick fix last year
getting Mc Govern and Setterfield for essentially 5 picks

This after winning 2 games with a % under 60

Blaming umpires
Cmon
We were comprehensively beaten in the last quarter
We don’t have much in the draft this year

If Cripps goes down
How will we go then
One player shouldn’t make such a difference 3.5 years into a
“Rebuild “
Walsh has made us a better team but every recruiting officer gets the number one pick
right

I can’t see a lot of improvement in this playing group
We need more players like Cunningham who can move the ball
quickly
I can understand the frustration
It’s an emotional game

You can’t keep losing games
Something has to give eventually
And it will be Bolton who will be sacked if we don’t start
winning games

It's not even an original idea...it's just regurgitating Cornes

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Your IF followed by THEN lines tells me one thing...you didn't study, logic, Boolean algebra or programming at uni...unless it was the entry level Boolshit algebra that was the pre requisites

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I reckon Buckley is wrong. We wanted it more just didn't have the experience or expertise to get it done.

Perhaps we need to start a misery guts thread?
If you find yourself complaining and ranting more than a couple of times post game...
If you find it hard to see any positives at all most of the time...
If you feel the need to say the same negative stuff over and over til we feel like smashing our computer screens...
If you want to trample all over our young kids like Dow...
Then you could post there.
It is hard enough managing years of losses without you guys harping on and on and on and on!!!
We all feel the same pain but geez you few nellies make it so much worse.
Would you post there instead if I start the thread?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Now there's a novel perspective on this topic...

They had at least 2 preseasons and 30+ games on us (each and every player)

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For those posters who make an effort to see the light despite how hard going this is...and not avoiding honest criticism at times..sure!
I thankyou.
You are the reason it is a pleasure to frequent TC all these years.
Group hug.
Now go out there and get ready for next week.
Ps happy Mothers Day you gorgeous pack of TC mothers.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

More careful reading would show that I made no reference to Williamson's kicking.

Agree BS
Strong sides will shield and buffer young brittle bodies and minds
Sides that have been rebuilt from ground zero are mostly brittle. There will be many more casualties cause there is little shielding. Over the long period, they develop that resilience together
How amybody can question effort and desire to win yesterday is mindboggling

I mean, you only have to look at SB as an example. Nobody can question his effort and desire to get his message across. It's just not working. As he types, he's thinking that he won't be defined by persuasive success or failure .

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

negative negative negative
how do you get through the day!
you cant see a lot of improvement in this playing group! FFS mate have a closer look

look at the players the pies can run through the midfield for a start

pendlebury 285 games
Sidebottom 219 games
Treloar 147 games
Mayne 201 games
Grundy 116 games
De Goey 79 games
Greenwood 140 games
Brown 19 games
Wills 7 games

Total 1,213 games

then look at ours

Murphy 257 games
Kreuzer 176 games
Curnow 151 games
Cripps 89 games
Fisher 42 games
Walsh 8 games
Dow 28 games
SPS 50 games
Setterfield 7 games

Total 808 games

That's 500+ games of experience we give away in the midfield alone. That's before looking at our more experienced guys and understanding they are not at the quality of Pendlebury, Sidebottom & Treloar.
Then we go to the backline and we had Stocker who was in his 2nd game, Willo was in his 17th and hasnt played in 18 months, Marchbank who has only played 41 games and looked a million bucks yesterday and a guy who has never played KPP in an AFL game before. This with 4 guys that would be walk up starts in the back 6 missing....& you cant see improvement in the playing group! FMD go take some positivity pills...

Teddy no. Respectfully disagree.
Everything our boys did showed how much they wanted and needed badly to win yesterday. They gave their all. Perhaps even one more experienced player... Doch? Or Simmo?Would have been the difference. The kick out down the guts to Crippa or Kreuz... a goal there
..lifting the team...
Breaking the strangle hold
.
..then one more
Who knows.
Experience and a couple more super talents with more games than ours.
That's it.
Not want!

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Needs Einstein as a mentor to explain the definition of insanity

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I am not blind I can see the talent that is on the list . We can all see positives. We see them every week in every loss.
I don't like the word culture but I will use the word mindset.
It is all wrong. If opposition coaches are telling us they wanted to win more then you can see it is a problem.
That's the 3rd time in the last 12 months a coach has said winning doesn't matter at Carlton.
Clarkson when he said we play our grand final in November.
Scott when objecting to PP saying we deliberately bottom out
Now Buckley yesterday.
Our President came out and said he is happy with the progress.
Matheson a director says they are on the right track.
Bolton and every one of the assistant coaches have said we know where we are at.
Players are getting games when not ready. Because development takes precedence over wins.

Now you have an entire football club who is so focused on development, positives and learning experience that they have completely forgotten how to achieve the objective they are supposed to be doing and that is winning.

People ask me what I would do different. Well for starters its not my full time job and I don't have 8 assistant coaches and support staff and a senior mentor.
I just watch read and listen.
But the very first thing I would change is talking about positives and progress and development.
There would be only one point of discussion and that is winning at all costs.
If this means player x development is put on the back burner so be it. This club needs wins

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Your assessment of Setters is reasonable but I see a better player than you do. Some of us need to see more than 6 games to make a call as strong as a bust or otherwise.

If your long term stats of 2 wins with a percentage of 60% has merit, do you agree this seasons stat of 1 win and a percentage of 85% shows we are improving?

It’s easy to dismiss blaming umpires as a soft out but if you don’t believe a free kick count of 24-8 (including only 2 for us after half time I think) didn’t have an impact on the outcome then you are delusional.

Docherty was All Australian in his last season, Cripps was not. I don’t see people blaming our position on his loss and I don’t see anybody pointing at the missing Jones, Simpson, Newman combo re yesterday’s loss. So I’m not sure why you think a Cripps injury would be relevant to the Pies post match thread?

The fact that you think whatever the opposition coach says is fact is another example of you hearing what you want to hear and why you are a lost cause. To say Bucks comment = Carlton thinks winning doesn’t matter is laughable.

The first thing you would CHANGE is already what Bolts is doing. For somebody who watches reads and listens, you obviously didn’t watch read or listen to yesterdays presser because Bolts refused to talk about the positives a couple of times. So try again for something you would change. Top three things you would change?