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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:30 pm 
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My on-going concern is that this list delivered a wooden spoon last season.

We have turned players over, yet when we select our best 22 - few changes are there...


Yes, it sure did. With nothing from Judd*, Henderson, Yarran, Menzel and Gibbs* throughout the year.

I'd dare say that those 5 players were at least 20% of the salary cap.

So we move on from that and bring in some talent. Poor list but the green shoots will be great to watch.

* denotes injury.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:34 pm 
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With Rance being a premium defender Casboult won't get a touch unfortunately. Those resting rucks can't mark- Gorringe or Phillips.

We'll need our mid forwards to work out but walks was rusty and Everitt isn't in touch.

No small forwards to speak of.

So I'd say a good effort already and a score of 5.12.


Hence prefer Casboult to have a run on the ball to get away from being stuck on Rance. One he clunks a few around the ground his confidence tends to rise. Maybe also away from the goalsquare, at CHF, where he a run further up the ground. Not sure being stuck in the goalquare all day does him much good. I'd play Rowe up forward too just to take another tall defender, not that I'd obviously expect him to do that good, but might take some defensive heat off Casboult. Our choices aren't great right now. With both Rowe and Casboult forward I wouldn't bother picking a 2nd ruckman.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:35 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
jim wrote:
Trying to pick a side for round 1.

Byrne Jammo Touhy
Simmo Weitering Docherty
Boekhorst Cripps E.Curnow
C.Curnow Casboult Kerridge
Walker Rowe Buckley

Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs

Thomas Wright Graham Everitt

Rowe's a worry but want another big bloke to take the heat of Casboult. He was about the best I could find at present. Plus they can both ruck so no need to pick a 2nd ruckman, who isn't that good.


Ummm ... is Byrne the nominated rookie ... otherwise he will not be selected.


Hope so.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:57 pm 
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Army the Wonderkid wrote:
With Rance being a premium defender Casboult won't get a touch unfortunately. Those resting rucks can't mark- Gorringe or Phillips.

We'll need our mid forwards to work out but walks was rusty and Everitt isn't in touch.

No small forwards to speak of.

So I'd say a good effort already and a score of 5.12.


Agree Casboult wouldn't get a touch on Rance, moreover would be torched the other way. My preference would be to play Everitt or even White on Rance and try to drag him away from where the ball will probably be kicked, if he doesn't go with his man then hit them up unopposed if the kicker is able. We want to minimise indiscriminate kicks forward anyway. Cas can hold his own against the other Tiger KDs one-on-one, the key then is to try and avoid them double teaming him. So whether you go with a resting ruck or a more mobile type just keep them operating away from Cas to limit the third man up against him. But as you rightly say the problem is none of the other tall/ish forwards are either in form (Walker, Everitt) or much of a marking threat (resting rucks) so Cas remains pretty much our one-out marking threat in attack. We need Weitering down back along with Rowe and Jamison or I'd contemplate Weitering or Rowe forward. And there ain't nothing in reserve to write home about. McKay? injured and not ready (but might have been called upon if fit). Plowman? Injured and not tall enough (but might have been called upon if fit). Curnow and Silvagni not ready and not big enough (yet). Foster not ready. Jaksch coming back from illness and too slight certainly at the moment. Jones - enough said. None of our Rucks clunk marks up forward - the most likely is Kreuzer who we want to be rucking as much as possible, but perhaps we have to consider rucking someone else and plant Kreuze forward most of the time. If a Wood or Phillips or Gorringe could be competitive - even just negate Maric's influence - in the ruck perhaps the loss of Kreuze in the middle could be justified if he can give us a second target up forward, though I'd probably play Kreuze in the ruck and hope against all evidence that Phillips could clunk a mark or two down forward.

Things aren't quite so bad on the small forward front, with resting mids able to assist but we do lack a quality small forward unless Gallucci steps up to AFL quality.

All in all the most obvious weakness we have - WTF is going to kick our goals?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:18 pm 
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Saw in Hawks last practice match that they had (at one point) 13 marks inside 50. 12 were uncontested. You don't need a massive tall to get uncontested marks. I would think that any afl standard player has a reasonable chance of a goal if they take an uncontested mark inside 50. But how do they do it? And why can't we?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:21 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
Saw in Hawks last practice match that they had (at one point) 13 marks inside 50. 12 were uncontested. You don't need a massive tall to get uncontested marks. I would think that any afl standard player has a reasonable chance of a goal if they take an uncontested mark inside 50. But how do they do it? And why can't we?

Practice.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:24 pm 
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Well we should practice that then.....

Or did you mean it was just a practice match?


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Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 1m1 minute ago

Dale Thomas can accept 1 match for striking J Laidler.
Andrew Walker can accept $1000, wrestling J Laidler.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:53 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
Well we should practice that then.....

Or did you mean it was just a practice match?

We do practice that. :lol:

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Effes wrote:
Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 1m1 minute ago

Dale Thomas can accept 1 match for striking J Laidler.
Andrew Walker can accept $1000, wrestling J Laidler.



Can't take a trick with Thomas. At least he won't get injured in the season opener.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:12 pm 
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Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 1m1 minute ago

Dale Thomas can accept 1 match for striking J Laidler.
Andrew Walker can accept $1000, wrestling J Laidler.

Crap decision that shit happens 100 times a game

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 1m1 minute ago

Dale Thomas can accept 1 match for striking J Laidler.
Andrew Walker can accept $1000, wrestling J Laidler.

Crap decision that shit happens 100 times a game

Didn't need to do it. Undisciplined.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:06 pm 
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Murphy in. Thomas out.

The other outs to choose two of:

Lamb
Whiley
Gorringe
Everitt


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:10 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Murphy in. Thomas out.

The other outs to choose two of:

Lamb
Whiley
Gorringe
Everitt


Whiley, Everitt.

Whiley's second half was very good and we'll need the extra mid, perhaps allowing Cripps some time up forward as a marking target.

Everitt just on 2015 tbh.

Lamb - liked his endeavour but I'd prefer the other two (which, I respect would leave only one of the #4Giants in the team.

What do you think verbs?

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 1m1 minute ago

Dale Thomas can accept 1 match for striking J Laidler.
Andrew Walker can accept $1000, wrestling J Laidler.

Crap decision that shit happens 100 times a game



Yep. Little elbows, punches and forearms are given out all game every game. It was part of the game....soon to go the way of the bump or making someone earn a kick or think twice about backing into a pack.

The physicality is gone. The only heavy contact now are really dangerous collisions when two players are going for the ball ----where you had better not be a split second late or you will get 4 weeks!

It's great watching skinny weeds like Hoskin Elliot and co dance around on the field. Hell Bryce Gibbs will end up playing 300 of the softest games you are likely to see, that's the way the game has become!


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Army the Wonderkid wrote:
verbs wrote:
Murphy in. Thomas out.

The other outs to choose two of:

Lamb
Whiley
Gorringe
Everitt


Whiley, Everitt.

Whiley's second half was very good and we'll need the extra mid, perhaps allowing Cripps some time up forward as a marking target.

Everitt just on 2015 tbh.

Lamb - liked his endeavour but I'd prefer the other two (which, I respect would leave only one of the #4Giants in the team.

What do you think verbs?


I was impressed with Whiley once he got a run, but have a feeling Lamb may get the nod ahead of him. Everitt over Gorringe for sure. Phillips did enough to warrant being the second ruck and Gorringe hasn't shown a great deal up forward just yet.


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Everitt is capable of good performances so he should play, but he needs the firm approach from the coaches to keep his mind on the job.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:57 pm 
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Army the Wonderkid wrote:
With Rance being a premium defender Casboult won't get a touch unfortunately. Those resting rucks can't mark- Gorringe or Phillips.

We'll need our mid forwards to work out but walks was rusty and Everitt isn't in touch.

No small forwards to speak of.

So I'd say a good effort already and a score of 5.12.


Agree Casboult wouldn't get a touch on Rance, moreover would be torched the other way. My preference would be to play Everitt or even White on Rance and try to drag him away from where the ball will probably be kicked, if he doesn't go with his man then hit them up unopposed if the kicker is able. We want to minimise indiscriminate kicks forward anyway. Cas can hold his own against the other Tiger KDs one-on-one, the key then is to try and avoid them double teaming him. So whether you go with a resting ruck or a more mobile type just keep them operating away from Cas to limit the third man up against him. But as you rightly say the problem is none of the other tall/ish forwards are either in form (Walker, Everitt) or much of a marking threat (resting rucks) so Cas remains pretty much our one-out marking threat in attack. We need Weitering down back along with Rowe and Jamison or I'd contemplate Weitering or Rowe forward. And there ain't nothing in reserve to write home about. McKay? injured and not ready (but might have been called upon if fit). Plowman? Injured and not tall enough (but might have been called upon if fit). Curnow and Silvagni not ready and not big enough (yet). Foster not ready. Jaksch coming back from illness and too slight certainly at the moment. Jones - enough said. None of our Rucks clunk marks up forward - the most likely is Kreuzer who we want to be rucking as much as possible, but perhaps we have to consider rucking someone else and plant Kreuze forward most of the time. If a Wood or Phillips or Gorringe could be competitive - even just negate Maric's influence - in the ruck perhaps the loss of Kreuze in the middle could be justified if he can give us a second target up forward, though I'd probably play Kreuze in the ruck and hope against all evidence that Phillips could clunk a mark or two down forward.

Things aren't quite so bad on the small forward front, with resting mids able to assist but we do lack a quality small forward unless Gallucci steps up to AFL quality.

All in all the most obvious weakness we have - WTF is going to kick our goals?


Good summary.

Basically we'll need to waltz the ball out of the middle and kick the ball into the lap of our forwards or we're in big trouble.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:48 pm 
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We probably want Rance to have the ball when we are pressing up.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:16 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Arnhem blues wrote:
Well we should practice that then.....

Or did you mean it was just a practice match?

We do practice that. :lol:


Well, I suppose we should be all good then. :smile:


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