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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:02 am 
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Still reckon we should be running a candidate for the board at the end of the year - it may be futile but worth trying to keep them honest


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:12 am 
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Wake me up when it's over.
Club couldn't make us look more foolish if they tried.
Articles asking which side is worst: St Kilda or Carlton; features mocking our drafting; Slob Guts taking the piss during a sit down with the Prez.
We've been calling for a rebuild for years. Why announce it like a new sponsorship or something?
Everyone knows we're clueless. Laughing at our preseason media strategy meeting where the coach contradicted the CEO and Prez and them saying he didn't.
It's continued during the past two weeks. Maybe it's to take heat off MM.
Problem is - as Synners has remarked maybe once or twice - how can we have any confidence in what the club is doing when the same board remains?
When will they ever be held accountable???
Prez says some of the right things but actions speak louder than words - read what Synbad posted of his handling of Wright/Rogers - a point not lost on Slobbo in his sit down.
Fear is things will get worse before they get better.
So over this club being the competition joke.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:24 am 
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A clean out of Board members is a must if we want to do this right.

Make it happen please.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:29 am 
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

Pity there wasn't a re-build of the board announced as well.


Mark LoGiudice - President
Finance, Audit & Risk sub-committee & Club Member Venues sub-committee .

Jeanne Pratt AC - Vice President

Zac Fried
Marketing sub-committee
Finance, Audit & Risk sub-committee
Club Member venue sub-committee

Adrian Gleeson
Adrian was appointed to the Carlton Football Club Board in May 2006.
Football sub-committee
Marketing sub-committee

Greg Lee
Nominations & Remuneration sub-committee
Football sub-committee

Craig Mathieson
Club Member Venues sub-committee
Football sub-committee

Luke Sayers
Finance, Audit & Risk sub-committee
Nominations & Remuneration sub-committee

Raphael Geminder
Marketing sub-committee

Ahmed Fahour
Marketing sub-committee

Marcus Clarke
Legal counsel
Football sub-committee

Who should stay?
Who adds value?
Who should walk away?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:31 am 
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Oh I get it Brad.
You call time as a Mod and now want us to nominate you for the board.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:34 am 
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Oh I get it Brad.
You call time as a Mod and now want us to nominate you for the board.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.


A TC, BF, CSC nominated candidate?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:51 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Say Dylan Shiel (for example) doesn't sign with GWS and wants to return to Melbourne.
Do we give up an early pick (say pick #3) for him or would that be considered a "quick fix"?



Rather give pick 3 to GWS and get 7 to 8 years from Dylan Shiel, than let our recruiters take a chance in the first round that by our recent history is barely better than a 1 in 3 chance in playing 50 games. :roll:


You're falling in to that same old logical trap. If we can't get our recruiting right then there's no hope anyway. You always trade down in end.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:54 am 
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yep why not try to get someone on - couldn't do a worse job - :clap:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:05 am 
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Blue Tongue wrote:
We may as well hand back our licence to the AFL, its all over, no chance in hell of implementing a three year rebuild.


Certainly not if most of the responses in this thread are anything to go by. It all amounts to keeping most of our players (the ones that would give us anything of value, that is) and chasing a pre-made champ from another club. That's Judd all other again, not a rebuild. Goodbye Henderson and pick 2 (?) and hello saviour. This thread is nuts! :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:10 am 
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RE: Board, here's my take after a little resume googling:

Sayers and Fahour have a history of high-quality business acumen and thus have a role. MLG is saying all the right things.

Gleeson is the footy head, and has little else on his resume.

Lee appears to be an expert on corporate outsourcing and efficiencies.

Mathieson is an old school business man and that's about it; leverages people and little else these days. Doesn't like being bullshitted but when you don't have the industry know-how that just lifts the standard of the bullshit you receive. Fried is similar but he inherited his current empire, which is in retail-level textiles (Spotlight).

Pratt shouldn't be VP, but fills an important wedge from an entertainment and coetrie perspective. She has decades of experience in the arts running the Pratt foundation as well as her theatre company. Clearly has business acumen but perhaps lets her money talk too much at present.

Geminder has been brought up in the Visy environment but does provide significant international business experience and acumen because of it.

Marcus Clarke only brings his legal counsel.

I think Clarke and Gleeson are bunnies and we can improve their positions within the current board structure; Clarke can serve as legal counsel without serving on the board. Mathieson and Fried should move on and be deal brokers when they can lend political assistance.

Hell, Jeanne could also do the same, but she is actually capable of chairing committees if we restructure with an eye to entertaining several segments of supporters. Germinder is similar in this way also; if they have the time and the energy I think they have valuable skills for the industry, and some perspectives that we are scarce on.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:38 am 
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ah yes... but they dont understand football......

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:05 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
ah yes... but they dont understand football......

This is criss-crossing with the other thread now; I've pointed out my issues with our current governance, and others have highlighted that we're working on that at multiple levels.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:06 pm 
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actually if theyre working their expertise and magic in their particular departments.. what you have neglected to show us... is how are they effective???

over to you....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:07 pm 
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if theyre such specialised performers in their chosen departments jimmae.. how is this club moving forward with such high performers???

.. basically thats what im getting at........

.... now what are u getting at???

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:12 pm 
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Point is they have been there for long enough for us to ask:
Show us what you have achieved?
Where is the club in relation to the rest of the competition?

The answer is staring us all in the face.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:19 pm 
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Well Sticks was around for quite a while and I would have thought he knew a thing or two about footy?
Yet to no avail. It's all about the right balance of ability and passion for the club, wealth and politics.
It'll take a reshuffle to get a few more good men, maybe more.
We need the strenght to see it through , the process of change is happening and evolving.Better late than never .
But one thing's for sure , as the saying goes a fish smells for the head. If we can't get the right mix at the top no hope in any other aspect too.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:21 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
actually if theyre working their expertise and magic in their particular departments.. what you have neglected to show us... is how are they effective???

over to you....

I just gave you 6 names on a 10-person board who I think should probably move on...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:23 pm 
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and the ones that remain... what have they offered exactly..???

how are you analysing the weak links and separating the wheat from the chaff...???

what work have you been privy to???

have you first hand experience working with any or is wild guessing???

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:28 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Well Sticks was around for quite a while and I would have thought he knew a thing or two about footy?
Yet to no avail. It's all about the right balance of ability and passion for the club, wealth and politics.
It'll take a reshuffle to get a few more good men, maybe more.
We need the strenght to see it through , the process of change is happening and evolving.Better late than never .
But one thing's for sure , as the saying goes a fish smells for the head. If we can't get the right mix at the top no hope in any other aspect too.
Ciao

did u ever talk to sticks about his intricate philosophies on footy?
just cos he played in the eighties till the mid nineties.. doesnt mean he understood the beast today....

i have spoken to sticks on a number of occasions.. and hes done some great things for me....

but having spoken to him about his footy beliefs... it was scary... as a matter of fact asking his prickly questions almost brought us to lets say .....blows... lol

BUT,,, i dont give a @#$%&! about that....

i dont care who they are... i only care about whats the best for the footy club... and theyre not it...

sticks doesnt know football.. and knowledge abut where the game is at and where its going is quite minimal at the club..

which is why they have frittered away a powerhouse into a rabble...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:28 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
and the ones that remain... what have they offered exactly..???

how are you analysing the weak links and separating the wheat from the chaff...???

what work have you been privy to???

have you first hand experience working with any or is wild guessing???

What do you have against the business acumen of Fahour and Sayers? The changes and rhetoric of MLG?

I think the efficiencies and hiring expertise that Lee provides is unique on our board alongside Fahour. He's good at servicing corporate needs in the local market. From there we can freely target people with genuine experience in:

- Entertainment
- Marketing
- New/social media
- Medicine/Science
- IT, telecommunications & emerging digital technologies
- Sport/the AFL

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