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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:47 am 
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Withholding membership cash and bagging the club on TC won't do it?

merging* is the answer


says captain asterisk *

withoulding is the answer... because it will create an environment for this board to crumble....

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:48 am 
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club29 wrote:
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can just see Damian Barrett bringing this up on the footy show If he is struggling for stories



There probably is a bit of story in there for the Journos.

What does the next 10 years hold for struggling afl clubs ?

We all agree the boom is done. We all agree some clubs struggled even during the boom when there was cash everywhere.
I am pretty sure we all agree that no club is going to get the results the Hawks did with their well time fight back.
We know the AFL are planning ahead and lowering prices.
It is fair to say that sponsorship and membership dollars are going to be hard to come by.
We agree that the gap is getting bigger between the haves and have nots (thanks heavs).
We know that membership at Carlton is stagnate and the club isn't going upward in a hurry.
Reading this board we know people are losing interest, not fussed when we lose and apathetic (thanks Synbad).

So what is going to be the big play that saves clubs? Reading what is coming could clubs get ahead of the pack by making a smart play early or should they wait until they are at their lowest and take whatever is thrown their way?

How are poorer clubs going to match it with the big clubs?

Would make an interesting enough story for one of the papers.

Carlton are not poor. We give away a car every raffle.

But in all seriousness, carlton has debt and making good inroads in to that. But, we are far from poor. We have the most expensive coach in the land and have state of the art facilities, which poor clubs dont have and correct me if l am wrong but we are close to the max cap spend that the club can make in the footy department.

So if your only basis for a merger is to merge a playing list in hope of earlier success, then move along.


That is not what I am saying at all. You need to read the whole thread.

I am not saying we are poor. There are poor clubs though. We are at the mid to lower end of the scale however and climbing up to be remotely near the big Melbourne clubs is going to take some magic.

I have not mentioned playing lists.


It seems to me then what you're saying is that Collingwood, hawthorn and Essendon* are the only Victorian teams that will win premierships. One reason you give is because they have greater membership numbers, the other is they have their own grounds, another is that they are in

I've read the thread it it is obvious it is all getting too hard to follow Carlton whilst we aren't in the finals and you can't see us winning a flag again.

History alone tells you you are Illogical.

When I was a kid I, like many others couldn't see North Melbourne winning a flag. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:54 am 
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Read this and tell me he's wrong.

Then tell me why I should believe the club will make good moves in the future.

It might be a case of removing the board is just not enough anymore..


http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/im-with- ... ton-board/

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:56 am 
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carlton wont win a flag in our lifetime bondi...

BUT changing the identity means its not Carlton when it does.

What Cimmy and Clubby are saying is that the club ceases to exist in its 151st year....
Which is fair enough.... if thats what they are saying.... but i wouldnt be supporting the replacement... id probably move to Hawthorn...

because if youre poorly run.. youll be kicking the can up the track as North Carlton Kangas... and Cimm and Club will by that time be eyeing off StKilda and the Doggies... So it will be the Norh Melbourne ,Western ,South Eastern Carlton Magic

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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And then... because were still poorly run club....with no identity.Collingwood can swallow us up... and just be the Collingwood MAgpies*****.. with a nice geographically spotted up location at Princes Park.... and they might even deal with the melbourne city council or state govt to buy up the land and a couple of fields instead of leasing it like we do.....

Think about what a powerhouse club we would be then....!!!

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Would be a masterstroke by Collingwood.... would double their supporter base overnight... and get back Daisy and Mick

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:12 pm 
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anyway.... i dont buy smart watches.. but i have a reasonable vintage watch collection

but im pretty selective in what i buy...

i dont buy' frankenwatches'......

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:13 pm 
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merge? or splurge!


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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:15 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Withholding membership cash and bagging the club on TC won't do it?

merging* is the answer


says captain asterisk *

withoulding is the answer... because it will create an environment for this board to crumble....



how's that working for you so far?

sometime in the next 20 years we may run out of billionaires.

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:15 pm 
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we just need common sense

this board doesnt have it... if it did.. it wouldnt wait till now to show us...

essentially theyre the same people ....for over 6 or 7 years plus

and culture is the same

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 Post subject: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:18 pm 
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Can we just win a game to stop these nutty threads.

We lose a couple of games badly and suddenly we are Fitzroy 1996.

It's not good the position we are in but merging is basically wiping us out of existence. 150 years of history flushed down the toilet just because it got hard for 15-20 years.


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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:21 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
we just need common sense

this board doesnt have it... if it did.. it wouldnt wait till now to show us...

essentially theyre the same people ....for over 6 or 7 years plus

and culture is the same


........and the catalyst for change is???????

I reckon this mob are a good bet to keep rolling out band-aids like new coaches, big signings and a new hovercraft.

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 Post subject: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:23 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
we just need common sense

this board doesnt have it... if it did.. it wouldnt wait till now to show us...

essentially theyre the same people ....for over 6 or 7 years plus

and culture is the same


........and the catalyst for change is???????

I reckon this mob are a good bet to keep rolling out band-aids like new coaches, big signings and a new hovercraft.


If we have a proper process for a new coach that will show progress.


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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:36 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
we just need common sense

this board doesnt have it... if it did.. it wouldnt wait till now to show us...

essentially theyre the same people ....for over 6 or 7 years plus

and culture is the same


........and the catalyst for change is???????

I reckon this mob are a good bet to keep rolling out band-aids like new coaches, big signings and a new hovercraft.



c'mon cimmy ... don't be a peanut. it's still better than a merge.

A founding club. most premierships and even when we're sucking harder than Desiree Washington, we still rack up 45 000 odd members.

there's another 6 clubs which are are merge bait before we are.

this is the dumbest thread i've ever seen here, and the fact its got 7 pages or whatever it has is blowing my mind. I thought it'd get locked up after 4 posts.

silly me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:38 pm 
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IF being the operative word in that sentence. I'm not confident.

The scope of this external review that has been banged on about for years on this site should include all aspects of the club operations including whether it is economically viable to stay as one of 9 standalone teams in Melbourne.

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:44 pm 
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..fun thread, merge with melb city instead,, get aloisi to coach us..

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Rexy wrote:
You need to rebuild the club, from the top.

The CEO initiates a full independent review of all operations.

The board steps down.

An open election is conducted for a 9 member board.

The new board implements all review recommendations....


Exactly.

Instead, right now, the Board installed MlG as president, and MlG happens to sit on the panel that oversees board nominations. A "nominations committee" they call it.

Lots of back scratching going on and zero @#$%&! transparency. NONE.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 7142566576

BAHHAHAHAHHHAHHAH, we are a @#$%&! basket case of a club.

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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"independent nominations committee" the president is part of that indie nom committee...

sure they might think they slip things through but they will pay dealy for the kinds of decisions they make

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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You vote for me.... OK done.
Now you vote for me.... OK done.

OMG we totes got voted in.

DUDE what does mine say?
SWEEEEET what does mine say?
DUUUUDE...

Vladimiar @#$%&! Putin would be more democratic.

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
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Synbad wrote:
"independent nominations committee" the president is part of that indie nom committee...

sure they might think they slip things through but they will pay dealy for the kinds of decisions they make


When?

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 Post subject: Re: The Merger Thread
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:59 pm 
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theyre in it now cimm.....

they just think they can get out if this by back scratching the numbers

they cant.....

2 weeks into the season theyre in damage control....

but compare this with what they have been doing till now.....

this is like a politician around election time......

grain of salt

what they need to do is do things..!!!

the time for words has passed

theyre the boy that cried wolf...

they need to start proving things now

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