Levi turned 24 in March.
Not many KPP picked outside the top 20 are tearing it up by that age.

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I think you are suffering a little premature judgement here.

It was not long ago that the same questions were asked of Tom Hawkins.

He will probably never get near the Tomahawk in talent, but I think you need to give him a little bit more time afterall if you look at the dreamteam or supercoach ratings on their first 25 games they are pretty similar.

Cant beleive Im saying this
I agree with Synners

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Will you be sold on him if he plays well and kicks 3 or 4 on the swans this weekend?

Synbad... -

IICR, Lance was discussed some 10+ years ago in the context of list options - Your favourite coach at the time (pagan) had gutted the list of older/mature bodies and we were paying the price. It was in that context, he was more value to our list than to trade off for another mid pick 18yo - particularly if he could remain injury free. Given our drafting history over the past 10 yrs, I'm still quite comfortable with that position.

But yes, feel free to bring up irrelevant items where we've had differing viewpoints from yesteryear - I'm sure that contributes to the discussion at hand...

Back to casboult...

Why would I call Casboult 24? - because he is. Born March 15th 1990 means he is currently 24 and 3 months. At the start of our season (rd 1- 16th march, 2014) he was 24 yrs and 1 day old - but yeah, sure lets call him 25...

As to your other points

Has everyone improved? - clearly not - we wouldn't be way outside of the eight otherwise

Would I bet on him to save my life in a final? Ignoring the fact that I don't bet...
3 weeks ago? no.
Now? - sure. 9.1 in his last 10 shots at goal = a man in good goal kicking form...

In the context of his career and where he will end up - who knows how good he will become. But I'm fairly confident that barring injuries (the exact same caveat I placed on whitnall posts all those years ago), we have a long term player on our hands. He will be a lot better/more consistent when he has managed another 20 games.

You asked why he hasn't played more at his age. I've actually provided you with valid reasons as to why he hasn't. Casboult has come from a long way back and despite having 2 long term knee injuries has improved each year. For myself, his continual improvement and the strong marking/amount of shots on goal he gets mean that he has shown enough to suggest that barring injury (that caveat again), casboult will be in the 22 as a solid contributor for the next 4-5 years.

Feel free to bring up this position in 10 or so years whenever you have a bone to pick with me

i think u blokes dont get it.......

youre caught up in the minor detail

his EXACT actual age isnt the point here.... lol

Oh my goodness...

its his tool

he has one thing going for him.

usually hes anonymous
he plays a good game against stkilda and hes star or something

teams like Port have guys like him in the reserves

the excuse is he is 24 not 25 and hes played 29 games...

he is a one in five... he plays ok one time in five games
he offers nothing defensively and he makes our team because we have NOBODY else to play there...
we have won 5 for the year... and its players who are Casboults that we need to shed to get into the eight.

He is just a very mediocre player who was part of a very mediocre team who tore a very pathetic StKilda a new one....

Do you blokes need that explained to you??...

funny...

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I think the point people are actually making is that Casboult could still develop into a handy player and that it's premature to write him off after 29 injury interrupted games. You may ultimately be proven right in your assessment but noone is saying he's the next Carey.

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oh im getting the giggles as the main defense for casboult is he is 24 not 25....

i just had to read all of that...... again....

thank you everybody......

you see why i dont rate u as thinkers..???
and always think you blokes have no clue about whats important or not?

yeah i know i come across as an arrogant barbarian.. but look what im dealing with here....
i always tell most people i know.. how if it wasnt for TC i wouldnt have to put up with so much stupidity in my day to day....
The problem with footy is it brings together all the people you normally have nothing or next to nothing to do with....
Life would be so much happier...

Ok again so tell me how the fact that Casboult is 24 not 25 the catalyst on why hes doing really well ... again

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Ahh.... the rusted on s-bend, very difficult to move and dislodge.... In my passing impression of this ridiculous thread, i could have sworn that you were getting caught up in that detail you disparage .

wojee.. hes been in the system for 5 or 6 years and cant kick
some of his kicks at goals are horrendous...

babysteps u say???

oh ok

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padre my detail is not the stuff that is meaningless

thats the difference

for instance

the detail i would bring scrutiny to is all the nothing games and missed goals that deflate a team and take off the pressure when it counts...

we have too many players like casboult.... blokes with massive inadquacies to help us be a serious threat

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Then why be so insistent that he's 25 if a year difference isn't important?

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wojee i said 25 and i thought he was....but it could have been 24 its not the point when u get to 23/24 or 25
but i was wrong and i toyed with u ...
why?
because in your minds it just had to be the straw u had to hold on to.....

for me its not.

blokes like casboult/ waite carrazzo lucas etc are deflating

when others work hard to help put us in winning situations.. a couple of misssed kicks tackles etc mean we slide all the ay down the slippery slope to blackness

why?
because we cling to every last bit of hope as that is going to save us..
why?
because were a desperate club and therefore we hold onto desperate thoughts

Good clubs dont have players like Casboult
and

when after stringing 3 or 4 nothing games in a row.. Casboult kicks 4 against a 188 cm Gwilt who might weight 92 kilos and is playing some putrid footy... and we have a wank

Casboult is like so many others.... thy show glimpses... but glimpses dont help us.... do they???

Im not getting caught up in glimpses... its 15 years of glimpses... here and there.


These blokes have to learn to do it week out week in week out week in.. and if theyre not good enough should be moved on.
Thats called having standards,,,and not hoping ...

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Just saw Bell's shepherd for the first time. Love it.

I like what Bell, White and Casboult offer in terms of providing a bit of c#nt, something we've lacked for years.

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You all seem to be talking about our brightest tall marking forward for years.....24yo Levi Casboult in differing terms of praise and encouragement and one staggering opinion who is not impressed at all.

I recall a player from Adelaide who arrived as a rookie Captain of of this proud Club, who couldn't kick a goal in his early days to save himself.......known as ''Helicopter Punts'' by the media.....but he survived......and hopefully; so will Levi.

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And i dont wanna see club recruiters pointing to Casboult ageg 23/ 24 / 25 whatever... as some kind of improver... because inside of me im thinking is this how we watch kids???

glimpses???


i want excellence

and as for c*nt... yeah we bullied stkilda....
wait till we play hawthorn and shirk it....the big bullies...

stkilda is not your yardstick is were gunna go forwrd

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Are u for real????

please.... this is what i mean about associations away from here.....

i dont go to BINGO nights...

cant relate

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Getting a little bit antsy there don't you think?

Levi gives us what may be false hope.

He played his role adequately against a poor side, as he should and we all enjoyed the spectacle.

Sometimes you need to let the simpletons have their moment in the sun.

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yeah but that doesnt help our climb back up the ladder

getting excited with that kind of stuff

think of richmond and melbourne

its about time we all lift our game... supporters included

the fact u can go to a game and play a club crippled in its history...and currently about to win its 34th wooden spoon and bask in the sun when we have been nowhere for over a decade tells the uninitiated lot about where this club and its supporters are at right now.

there is no loftiness there...

This is real bottom tier stuff... the stuff that loser clubs and their supporters swallow

the Elphinstone / Gorizides days....

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