Young Carlton Professionals (YCP) 2014

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17219

Clayman wrote:

There are some people with serious issues here.

Doc is jealous because he wants to start his own group and misses out on all the attention. Doc loves the attention. :thumbsup:

Not at all. The Carlton Supporter Alliance/Council ...whatever you want to call it is Ryan Trainor's and Mark LoGiudice's. It's not my group at all. It is implemented across many professional sporting clubs around the world and it just needs to be reflected to 'fit' Carlton. Ryan and I discussed this concept last year - I went away and put some more thoughts down on paper and have since done some more. It was my belief that this should have been implemented in 2014. The YCP's 'think tank' group may work well, but in my opinion it is exclusive, elitist and therefore unhealthy.

I've let Ryan know my feelings on the matter. He has also read this thread. We agree to disagree. Life goes on.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:04 am

Gab wrote:

Personally, i have no issue with anyone setting up their own group with the intent of providing support to the club but having had a look at their webpage and the conditions of membership to claim it's not exclusive is just not right. The very fact that one needs to fit a certain demographic be that in relation to age, work status etc makes it so. Having said that i am not saying it is right or wrong, just don't claim you aren't exclusive when you are.

This is what the website says;

YCP CONNECTS LIKE-MINDED EMERGING LEADERS TO AN INFLUENTIAL BUSINESS AND SPORTING NETWORK SUPPORTED
BY THE ICONIC CARLTON FOOTBALL CLUB

Further on is the following statement:

The ultimate aim is for the ‘Think Tank’ sessions to generate ideas that can be presented to the Carlton Football Club Board and eventually rolled out.

Is this group being set up as an intended pathway to leadership positions within the club?

Whilst i would have no issue with any group brainstorming and making suggestions on the future direction of the club the claim being made on the website is that their ideas will be rolled out. That certainly would be of concern to me as this group would hardly be representative of the broader membership and support base of the club.

I can understand Doc's reaction to this as it seems to me that somewhere along the line someone has taken an idea which he talked about in another thread ( the supporter's alliance) and restricting that to a very exclusive and generally non representative group of members. It would probably be better to have one group which represents people from the broader demographic of supporters discussing and presenting ideas on the future direction of the club to the vice presidents.

I found one other statement interesting;

YCP is a concept that we all devised ourselves in mid-2012 – that is why we are the members of the Executive. We took the idea to the Club in late 2012,

From that statement i am assuming this executive is appointed and not elected by the membership of the group, sounds frighteningly similar to what occurs at the board level of the club.

I think it is quite reasonable to be questioning and asking for clarification when it appears to be a group being supported by the club.

that is exactly my point....

this club is run by the oligarchs and supported by its sycophants, collaborators and vassals

thats why its soulless.

there is a stench to it associated to death and these people cant see it.

Monty Burns · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:53 pm **Posts:** 143

Synbad wrote:

dane wrote:

Let them have their club. They can think tank all they want, what difference will it make?

Is your issue with this something personal?

this is the problem with this club... people not caring enough....

i care if my club picks and chooses clubs on exclusive perimeters.

its a football CLUB... means were all in this together......
but there is bubble inside bubble inside bubble.
starting with an oligarchy at the top.. and filtering through a number of bubbles right throughout the club.

this young club has no clear agenda.... just another club within the club

if you cannot see that ...you cannot see the ills of the club

To answer one of your other posts - for me it's a socialising thing
I can't answer for others.

Regarding your above point on the club picking and choosing clubs
based on exclusive parameters isn't that what has been done
with coterie groups forever and ever.

Are we going to target them for being too exclusive?

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Monty it's Synbad. Not worth your time arguing. Round and round we go.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:29 am

dane wrote:

Monty it's Synbad. Not worth your time arguing. Round and round we go.

Yes we have perimeters to socialise.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17219

Gab wrote:

Is this group being set up as an intended pathway to leadership positions within the club?

It's two-fold. Future leadership and sponsorship.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:37 am

Monty Burns wrote:

Synbad wrote:

dane wrote:

Let them have their club. They can think tank all they want, what difference will it make?

Is your issue with this something personal?

this is the problem with this club... people not caring enough....

i care if my club picks and chooses clubs on exclusive perimeters.

its a football CLUB... means were all in this together......
but there is bubble inside bubble inside bubble.
starting with an oligarchy at the top.. and filtering through a number of bubbles right throughout the club.

this young club has no clear agenda.... just another club within the club

if you cannot see that ...you cannot see the ills of the club

To answer one of your other posts - for me it's a socialising thing
I can't answer for others.

Regarding your above point on the club picking and choosing clubs
based on exclusive parameters isn't that what has been done
with coterie groups forever and ever.

Are we going to target them for being too exclusive?

I don't mind coterie groups. Just interested in what this one offers.
I'm also interested in perimeters.

If it's a coterie why not these people join one of the many existing ones?
If it's perimeters on who these people want to socialise with i'm even more interested. Therefore I'm super interested in this group.
It's tantalising in its suggestiveness to me.
So in giving it my full attention.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:39 am

Do the old skool coteries have an official endorsement from the club?

In isolation I think YCP seems okay, but I do agree with others that having an official endorsement from the club requires some extra scrutiny.

I also agree that it has the potential (if not intent) of being a grooming ground for future board/leadership positions at the club. Perhaps this is a good thing, I'm not sure.

There is clearly a perception that YCP is a well-to-do clique of privileged kids who are riding on the coat tails of family connections in order to gain favour with Carlton hierarchy. That may not actually be the case, but I'm not seeing a lot to dissuade me that it's not.

But, if the net result is a positive for Carlton then I'm personally not too fussed.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:47 am

Of course we should be scrutinising every aspect of this club.
An officially endorsed exclusive group is not something that seems should be exe mpt. It's exactly what has been suffocating the life out if this club.
It's artificially transplanting the psyche away from a broad based landscape of people from many countries ages and religions as well as economic classes into a very narrow perimeter of ownership for the few.
If people don't understand this they're just idiots.

Dukes · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:53 am

So we're now criticising young people who want to put some more money into the club on top of their membership. :screwy:

All they are getting in return is access to a couple of functions a year to socialise and talk all things Carlton. Enough with the conspiracy theories please.

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:58 am

...Mr S, and its exactly why the YCP is so defensive, rather than just publicly and openly outlining its agenda and its primary goals and direct and indirect links to the power bases at Carlton...

apparently its only about tall poppy syndrome, and conspiracy theories and jealousy etc.,

(and when individuals or groups employ these tactics as a defense, rather than being open about their motives, then we all know what that means don't we ladies and gentlemen)

Clayman · **Joined:** Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:02 am **Posts:** 1770

Synbad wrote:

You tell me Clayman what the real point to the Young Carlton group is?
do you know?

It is a network of business professionals that all have something in common, they love the blues. We have asked what changes/ideas they would like to make or have requested the club make and we have received silence. This tells me it is more a network opportunity with little influence in club decisions.

Synbad wrote:

Why can this one be allowed to exist and the next one cant???

Who said the next one can't?

Synbad wrote:

What gets the clubs official blessing and why?

Good question and you would hope and expect that all groups are treated fair and equally no matter who your uncle or father is :thumbsup:

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:02 am

Dukes wrote:

So we're now criticising young people who want to put some more money into the club on top of their membership. :screwy:

All they are getting in return is access to a couple of functions a year to socialise and talk all things Carlton. Enough with the conspiracy theories please.

so they are a fund raising group? that's their primary purpose?

why would a fund raising group be so exclusive and vague about what its purpose is?

Blues Clues · **Joined:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:01 pm **Posts:** 2099

I've had the pleasure of meeting members of the YCP at various CFC functions and I have found them to be very passionate, polite and well intentioned re the CFC. Secret agendas? Pfft.

Good on them for showing some interest in the club and putting up some decent coin, too.

I'm a member of many clubs and many of them have "young member" offshoot clubs, including the VRC. We're not the lone rangers having such a club involved with the CFC, so why is there so much trepidation?

Only wish I was young enough to qualify as a member.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:11 am

Do you know what eugenics and oligarchy mean?
Nobody has a problem with people raising money.
Nobody has a problem with people being young.
Nobody has a problem with people socialising.

But I do have a problem with a club sanctioned elite group who can't state exactly why they need to keep elite perimeters on this group to exist.

Why have it apart than to keep it exclusive?
One of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard coming from this football club in a sea of ridiculous things.

My point is what's the point to this club exactly.
Keeping in mind the club is another club within the club of clubs.

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:14 am

Blues Clues wrote:

I've had the pleasure of meeting members of the YCP at various CFC functions and I have found them to be very passionate, polite and well intentioned re the CFC. Secret agendas? Pfft.

Good on them for showing some interest in the club and putting up some decent coin, too.

I'm a member of many clubs and many of them have "young member" offshoot clubs, including the VRC. We're not the lone rangers having such a club involved with the CFC, so why is there so much trepidation?

Only wish I was young enough to qualify as a member.

you must be Young (whatever that means!), a carlton member (we know what that means these days!) and a professional (whatever that means!)

and its agenda is vague and it has links with the board...

I wonder what will happen during election time?

If its independent that ok. If it comes under the Carlton umbrella and is endorsed and receives support via the Club, then that is a different story - everything out in the open.

the Club is collectively OWNED by the members - dont you remember? If the club goes into liquidation each member is liable for $50 EACH. From the poorest member to the richest benefactor and board director...

We know what the ex-players group does and its purpose - we have access to its members and its meeting minutes etc.. Coterie groups are the same...

YCP - STAND UP AND DECLARE YOUR FUNCTIONAL ROLE WITH THE CLUB

(how many of its members have direct links or are employed by any of the commercial interests of the members of the board, or sponsors etc?.?? - thats OK too, but it must be clear to everyone so when any spokes persons make or do not make comments in public we know what they are all about. I think they call it transparency within a democratic framework. Remember democracy ladies and gentlemen.???)

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:16 am

I'm interested in the psyche of the Carlton football club beast.
It's lost its way... It's decisions seem to be pointless and misguided.
It's lost sight of what it is.
It's been promoting factions and elitism for decades.
People feel unattached and I am highlighting this group as another example so I'm looking for insight to their madness.
Elitism
Eugenics
This club is so funny and miserable but most of all it has no soul.
Nothing!
These people have been going for five months in their exclusive format but the only thing they can share about themselves to the rest of us is they're exclusive and one guy joined for the socialising aspect....
Wow!

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:25 am

I can smell a dirty election coming soon at the club...

I can see spokes people from the YCP making favorable or non favorable comments and endorsements of different candidates or presidents etc...

I could be wrong on that front...., but seeing as we dont really know the exact purpose of this group which has popped up all of a sudden, anything can be assumed about this group and its motives...

And remember a big chunk ofthe Carlton football club membership is comprised of young professionals...maybe their voting intentions can be crystalised in some way to favor a particular board election outcome??

A strange Maceveilian mist has engulfed the club....

we have been breathing in the self deluding fumes for some time now and dont even realise it

Monty Burns · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:53 pm **Posts:** 143

Synbad wrote:

Monty Burns wrote:

Synbad wrote:

I don't mind coterie groups. Just interested in what this one offers.
I'm also interested in perimeters.

If it's a coterie why not these people join one of the many existing ones?
If it's perimeters on who these people want to socialise with i'm even more interested. Therefore I'm super interested in this group.
It's tantalising in its suggestiveness to me.
So in giving it my full attention.

The answer to your question - about why YCP members
don't join existing coterie groups - lies in the parameters
you speak of.

From my limited understanding - those coterie groups require
a certain amount of financial contribution. Much more significant
than the $220 to join YCP. Probably a case if adding several
zeroes to the end of that number.......before the decimal point!!!

Those groups are even more exclusive than this.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17219

Monty Burns wrote:

From my limited understanding - those coterie groups require
a certain amount of financial contribution. Much more significant
than the $220 to join YCP. Probably a case if adding several
zeroes to the end of that number.......before the decimal point!!!

Those groups are even more exclusive than this.

Yes and no. Sure it's a lot more money to join a coterie group - but it's aligned with a membership. The coterie groups don't discriminate via age and/or employment. Worth noting that the YCP is not a coterie group.

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