Yep. Let him go and get a first round pick. We could easily have 2 picks inside top 10 next draft.

Look at trading some players like Kruezer, Garlett, Yarran & Watson and we may be able to bring in some good kids (ala Docherty) and have 3-4 picks inside Top 25.

I think we can turn it around fairly quickly and build our next great side around names like Murphy, Docherty, Graham, Bell, Buckley, Tuohy, Cripps, Holman etc but some tough "business decisions" need to be made.

IMO that's the way to go.

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Agreed. We're already late to the party but there's nothing to stop us from drinking now.

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There aren't any rules in place that say you have to play a "boundary line" style of footy or a "shootout" style and that's it!
All I'm after is a balanced game style that lets you attack the corridor when the opportunity presents, (often on the turnover) or play a boundary style when the need presents. Unfortunately at the moment we send our players out and tell them what areas of the ground they are to use to move the footy. Predictability is OK if you can execute it better than everyone else but we can't.
Our team is not structured to play that game style. It relies on strong contested marking players and big bodied mids at the coal face. We're playing a 1 dimensional game style that is of days past.

The game has moved more and more towards retention of possession over the past few years. Players are very highly skilled and it's difficult to get it back off them. We stupidly give them a 50/50 shot every time we kick the ball!
Good teams require their players to make quality decisions as to the tempo and game style required in all scenarios. Players are taught to act instinctively under pressure and to assess when pressure decreases. We don't. No matter the situation we expect our players to do what they're told instead of doing what they think.

Yes there's lots of posts about our players being stupid and/or lazy. That's all bullshit. AFL players come through a pathway where laziness or stupidity is quickly exposed. If they've become lazy or stupid, its because we're not coaching and developing them properly or allowing them to improve their footy IQ.

I'd like our players to run out on Sunday and have the onus put on them to make the play. If they can effect a turnover and catch the opposition out on transition, go for it offensively. Run, carry, use the corridor. If options are there to put a player in space with a 25 metre, 45 degree chip kick, do it. Retain possession and put the ball in the hands of our quality users.
By the same token, if we're under pressure and the opposition have momentum, control the play and maintain possession. But don't just kick to bloody contests. Create space ahead of the ball carrier and lead into it. Go backwards if the receiver can play on. Take the heat out of the game if required. But most importantly, when we have the momentum, we have to play to the strengths of the list.
Forget giving the opposition a chance to get the ball back.

If we make a mistake. Big deal. You can't revert to Micks way just because errors are made. As long as the players are playing within the team parameters ( assist your team mates, apply maximum defensive pressure, carry your share of the load, play unselfish forty etc) let them play the game. If they can't play the "team game". bring in someone else who can.
With only one runner allowed on the field now, its even more important our players make the right decisions.

That won't happen by coaching them to do what they're told. They need to do what they think.

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In footy parlance - it's called 'cheating'. Bryce Gibbs has perfected it. It is laziness, lack of desperation, or myshitdontstinkitis - call it what you will, it's rife at the Carlton Football Club.

And there's stupidity as well. Mitch Robinson is so stupid that he has no right playing at this level. You can't trade Robinson. His flaws are so great. He'll be delisted. If the leadership group are listened to - Robinson won't play seniors for a looong time. Enough of the bullshit. This football department and its players must be the easiest to coach against.

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It's gone.

It's irretrievable.

We need a new beginning.

We need a new approach.

Carlton-Melbourne.

Part of our issue is the fact that Gibbs is one of the very few players in the side that gives you confidence once he has the ball. You can't be successful when:

A) Your ball-winners are pathetic with the ball
B) Your good users have no inclination to get it

Neither type of player would get a game in a top four side as they demand a modicum of aptitude in both areas.

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Supporters are prepared to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt because the media told them he was tagged. I spent half the night watching Gibbs. Ellis didn't 'tag' him for a second. Sure, he may have opposed him at a stoppage - but a tag? No. Not even close.

This….. read it and understand it.

Teach so they may grow.

unfortunately... Gibbs is a window into the club.He doesnt believe.. just like we dont believe.
No amount of Visy deals and Newton or anybody elses 3rd party deals are ever going to change that...
these players dont believe.....

Judd said so last year when he spoke about the list... even if i dont like leaders bagging their colleagues.. and basically calling them second rate.
Now Gibbs wants to see a blue print of the future.

If you cant see whats going on around the club you just cant see....

the players dont believe... i know Doc Sherrin wants to bag the footy dept and not tie it into the the club as a whole.... but thats ridiculous.....
The club is struggling at all levels...
and it seems the players and supporters have a whiff of it .. its on the nose!!!
We know it
other teams know it
the media knows it
the players know it...

theres no mystery..... just a very heavy case of denial.....

and seriously Doc... i dunno how you are even attempting to rationalise this.
The footy dept is the main part of the club because thats what goes on show.... if the rest of it was going great guns.. the footy dept would be fixed...because the footy dept is funded and put into place by the main office....
and the main office is here to make sure the footy dept is working...



how the hell can u have a fantastic off field club and on field its [REDACTED]???


you should do the clean break from rubbing shoulders with some of those blokes... theyre tricking you with bulldust!!!

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Well...I'm gone in May Synners...and leaving you lot with cold old Melbourne and a club 'on the nose'. That's enough rationalization for me. See you in 2015.

I wonder if Mick told Jeffy when you run into an open goal make sure you kick the ball on the outside of your foot and try and bend it or perhaps he told Robbie when you are 25 metres out kick it off your shin and miss everything completely. This list of players can get us to 5th but it can also get us to 14th. You can't polish turds.

what would u do if we make the gf????

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Where are you off to Doc?

I think you got tricked in 2012 Synbad. You supported moves made by those who you now blame for the state of our football dept.

Wouldn't hear the mix of players was a huge problem and that the playing culture had not shaken the Fev , stevens and Whitnal days.

Malthouse was going to get the best out of all these players and soon we will see their full potential you said.

They have gone backwards.

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We won't make the Grand Final Synners...but if we do - I'll watch it on a few seconds delay somewhere in Denver.

Did you know the Denver Lady Bulldogs are 4-time National Champions?

years of terrible list management.
years of terrible habits.

i wasnt tricked... i never said top 4.. i said he will steady the ship... i wanna give him same as ratts had. 5 years and 6 weeks.. and then judge him .



5 years and 6 weeks of ratten..... how stupid was this club???

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Sounds like you got tricked mate. Wouldn't hear that the players were letting down the coach. Mick was going to get the best out of them.
You supported the signing of Old Book Launches by those in charge of the match committee.

Maybe you got swooped up in the media frenzy around Launches chances of being signed and failed to think straight.

mick has to put up with a list with no second and third rounders
a zillion hbfers were drafted with those picks.. hmmm joey anderson is another that was taken for the hbf right?
along with the other 25 that are no longer at the club
one thing about a list is you need players coming through every year

we actually have the grand canyon in the middle of our list...

ratten has alot to answer for .. as do the others around the club in that period
you cant say the same about how mm left collingwood.

the cupboard is bare.......

cant say i wasnt warning you...... can u???

the list management
the types of players
the coach.. will never be given a senior job ever again will ratts...was sacked by one of his best mates too...
wasnt given the job at gws or port... even said he didnt want the port job because theyre [REDACTED].. (the fox and the sour grapes syndrome)

just a bad time for the club.. and will cost us a decade.

not often a coach gets so many early picks and the best player in the comp.. and an the greatest full forward this club has ever had on a platter and mick equalled his best ever performance in his first year and with a fading list ...

i think i had a better handle on the list than ratts did... whats that say about him???

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