We need to take some action in my view and need strength of numbers in here to do it
Don't agree that we shouldn't try to get a collective voice and take it to the club
If they don't listen then stand our own candidate for the board at the next election
Doesn't really matter if we fail but at least give it a go what have we got to lose
Only way to properly do this in my view is to get one of our own on the board
I will leave the issue now as it seems that there is not support for such an approach
Perhaps we should revisit in a months time irrespective of win /loss ratio in the present season and see whether any views have change

I am going on Thursday night and hope like hell we murder the Tigers -will be supporting my team but think it will be an ordinary night

One person on the board will be sent to Coventry.
I don't think you understand our board. They have dinner this to people as powerful as a fahour.. even if he has Pratt support.
Good luck with one spot on the board.
I've kept a very close eye on board politics and the periphery over a decade.

You need a ticket.
Any ticket will fail.
Therefore it's their club not anyone else's.

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Mikkey I'm glad you have us your two cents worth because that's exactly what it is. There ate no more two cents bits.
What you guys did without me was meet people who were interested in the moving the club forward.
So what was your suggestion and what happened?
Don't worry about me and why I didn't come.
The outcome is the same.

How were initiatives acted upon.?
I need to reiterate I couldn't make it didn't wanna make it whatever.
But I am smart enough to understand how this club works.
I know the clubs workings better than most.
I know enough personalities around the club and I know the angles they are working towards and the philosophies.
Lieu me make this very clear again.. Because I know you see yourself as very important and understanding of the world.. But in the bigger scheme of things you're unimportant and count only as a number on our membership tally. You have nothing else of worth to the club. You ate nothing but a donor of money for the privilege you can attend games.
That's it!
Same me and everybody else.
More valuable people around the club than both you and I have been unceremoniously dumped.
Frank just have you an example
Blue vain
Freddy in here who gave the club years of service.
Trainers
Whatever....

You're actually finding this whole thing difficult to grasp aren't you?
Back to my question. You meet them.... And?
What happened?

I don't need a pub to meet people from the club... I'm not a flower!
That's an exercise to make you feel like you're engaged when you're not really....
Stop dumping on me and tell me how your meet helped the club.

I know what phase the club is currently on I've discussed it at
Nauseam.... You've told me that yourself.
Were at different stages of acceptance of where this club is at.
You're now where I was six years ago.
As they say better late than never right?

The club is dishonest and lacks integrity and doesn't want true connection with its people except for membership statistics and money.

It's their club your not going to interfere.
Of you do your a table and a feral.
You certainly don't have a voice.!

When you get to my point I'll already be further and further up the road.
You should read about that phenomenon it's named after another Greek philosopher his name is Zeno.

It's also where our club is compared to Collingwood and the other bigger clubs

Zenos paradox
Read about our situation as a club here

http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4267

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I don't agree Synners depends on who the person is on the board whether they can stand up for themselves -others can marginalise but still better to be in the tent than pissing outside
We are never going to get a ticket up but need to take bite size chunks ie back one person and then try to mobilise rest of disaffected membership
In any case isn't it worth a go better than sitting here criticisizing and being impotent

You run for the board.
I'll buy a membership and vote for you..
If you get in we will both sit somewhere and be impotent just not next to reach other.
Same thing.
I promise!
You say you'll run I'll help you with votes.
But just remember... After your time you'll want nothing more to do with the club.
It's clear you don't know anyone well enough inside our had been inside over that period of ineptitude.
You must believe they're waiting for ideas.
A person from the grass roots.
I'll let you know they don't.

I used to be naive also... so don't worry too much about it.
Happens.
But you know how politics and egos go.

You dont need to agree yet you'll agree in another five to six years...

Everybody will complete this lesson at their own pace

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Synners please don't make this all about me as it is not its about all of us and how we are feeling about being disenfranchised
It is also about how we can impact positively a new agenda for the footy club given how we are feeling

I would have thought you of all people would think such grass roots movement was a good thing disappointed that you see this as a cynical grandstanding exercise and being negative about it before it is even got off the ground

No I don't know all the insiders but have worked on projects for Ahmed Fahour previously and he is an extremely hard task master
As suggested previously was during the Collo era involved in inner sanctum but haven't been since

PM me if you want to discuss further I fear we are boring people

Good sentiments ..but as members we have to block farouh as president...he is not the future for us...

Yes sticks is... Or the lagaglia guy...
People more qualified.

He might not be... But he isn't less qualified.
He's a hard task master... He forces people to perform...

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There is no one on this current Board that is suitable for President - that's the point. We are positioned for at least 10 more years of failure...

I agree but the most likely to break the mould mould is fahour from the board and the easiest to move on.
So I think if he was president he would break the culture of apathy that is deep rooted.
Then if you don't like him won't have the same infrastructure around himself.
Bit like the west supporting neo Nazis in Ukraine to break the Russian hold then they can go in and over for themselves.
Not saying Ahmad is a neonazi or anything remotely but sometimes if you Want to achieve something you do it in stages.
Personally in the Ukraine scenario it's not warranted.. Here it is

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Please provide reasons why you think Farouh is President material.

ok he is seen as a fit leader by both the NAB and aussie post
neither of them he ran into the ground.
im sure the screening process to activate him into those positions was much more exhaustive than what we do.
his contacts in big business in australia are extensive and he runs very tight ships.
one thing is for sure ... there will be nothing like the "near enough is good enough " mentality we have now.
he doesnt have to be loved by everyone.
kennett was hated but at least he understood what needed to be done and he steered them there.

plus a fahour led board wont be untouchable like the kinds of people we have now that have been more interested in circling the wagons than getting things done.

whats your reason why he can run the nab and aussie post but the carlton footy club is too challenging?

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Well,we know that Fahour is good at flogging his slaves and terrifying the be'jesus out of 'em.Nah,this bloke aint the one.

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Sinners, quantity is not = quality when it comes to posts and rants. You really disappoint me. You have to belittle and abuse everybody who does not agree with you.

It really has come down to that too many wrist slashers and haters are posting here. I wont be bothered further in these threads. There is no way this is a way to achieve any change. And save any buckets of sheit you have ready to throw at me. I'll just do what I think is best for the club and that is to be a member who votes and participates as much as I can or my health allows.

Everybody who actually loves the Blues should buy a membership, go to AGM's and other functions. Write to the club instead of posting here, talk to other members, talk to board members etc. Only if many do this and tell the club they are dissatisfied (with suggestions for improvements) any impression will be made. The carry on on TC by a handfull of posters wont.

The aggression towards those who might have slightly different opinions or have a more positive outlook or even think its not a badge of honour not to buy a membership is silly. I had a break from TC after last season and when I came back I could read: Nothing the club does is any good. Everything is bad. Move it to Tassie. Sack everyone. The players are the worst and dumest in the AFL. etc etc etc

There is nothing wrong in being critical and discussing the mistakes made and the future direction needed. But the current climate here is a climate of a doomsday sect. And the treatment of any dissenters - especially by Sargent of Arms Synbad is silly.

I loved it when the first discussions boards came along. A place to share my love for the Blues . A place to discuss things - even vent frustration. A great source of information when the club was really going down the gurgler and we all shared whatever we heard.

TC has lost a lot lately. I still enjoy reading the training and NB reports. Also the AFL section is a good place. But the main board? Good to have the game threads when you cant be at the game, but the rest?

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That is such a negative post. I feel like spending a whole evening listening to Leonard Cohen's Songs of Love and Hate just to cheer myself up. You need to lighten up a bit Mikkey.

Just FYI, I buy 4 Gold memberships every year and go to all the home games plus some interstate games with enthusiasm and optimism thinking we'll win each one. I'm a fanboi.

BUT, and this is critical IMHO, I never let that seduce me into thinking I make any kind of difference or make any inroads into the closed shop that is our "club".

As I said earlier, nothing short of revolution (not necessarily armed) will make a difference. And you thinking it will is not only misguided, but counter productive. It adds to the problem.

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Yeah lets all laugh at mikkey. He wants the club to be better and is actually attempting to do something about it! What an idiot.

cant stand people that dont think mikkey.. thats all

for example

why dont you deliver something that has some bearing on our situation for what it is.
very often you have called me out on having an agenda.

basically you need to understand the boundaries of what you play within,.
salary cap
draft

so say salary cap.... you dont keep playeers around too long who wont cut it.. and you dont pay too much to one or three players.. you spread it
= geelong
hawthorn... can u imagine us losing g ablett or buddy? the club wouldnt allow it.. and we would freak
draft..
footy dept is a fail
well u need the best recruiters and development
clearly we failed there too
members.. all of geelong hawthorn and collingwood give more to their members and sell their plan to their members better than us
geeling kept kardinia.. and flourished..
hawthorn and collingwod are not playing at glennferrie oval and victoria park.. but they have connected with members.
hawthorn have taken it one step further by connecting even though they play games in tassie.
thats selling a plan isnt it??.. we cant even sell the dome to ours.(Essendon* did)

for all the talk about standardising the comp.. with salary caps and the draft etc... its meant to work like this... we dont want an epl kind of monopolosing of the comp by a couple of clubs do we??.. no we dont!!!.
the afl have created an artifical environment .. where with what they hav structured up every team in theory should win one each 18 years .. was 16..
but already we have seen the clever clubs map out plans that understand the future better than others....
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo.. get this.. this artificial competition thats supposed to load fairness.. and every team having a chance of winning ONE glag each EIGHTEEN years... has already had a handful of clubs hogging the top spots...
guess which teams those are Surrey??.. no nothing to do with the suburban grounds...

but EVERYTHING to do with the understanding of the current system they work within to create an environment as to extract the best possible results within that artificially loaded system of some kind of fairness.

Its all about how much you understand the modern game.. and what structures u set up within the organisation to take full toll.
We dont understand them.. never have and looks like never will.. in the modern game.
There is nothing underpinning anything w e do except a cheque book for messiahs..poaching people from collingwood because they should know what to do seeing we dont.. and alot of hope.
so we try to emulate collingwood...become collingwood ...

which gets back to my earlier zeno paradox for those of you who have been following my lectures on ancient greek philosophy 101.... if you turn to my chater on zeno youll see the correlation .

like kouta from talking carlton .. who thinks lucas is better than nat fyffe.. this club could do worse than read up on the greats of philosophy.. they might understand how to think better.
this is a club thats decaying in rust.. a machine that belongs in another era.. unwilling to bend .. unable to think clearly into the future..its bogged down in a world that no longer exists.

but yeah.. the same people that are ruining everything will suddenly become enlightened and lead us to the promised land.....
theyre lost!!!... but dont worry.. theyre gunna fix it.


why is it ok for you people to be protected by forceful robust debate which is protracted over many years in which you have kicked me for being a [REDACTED].. an attention seeker and a negative influence... and i cant have a go at you for being wrong and idiotic in what youre saying???

the proof is in the pudding.

were not a club that understands this brave new world... were rusted onto the past as agro sometimes says.

dont ever tell me.. i should have gone to some [REDACTED] up pub meeting with some club representatives to suck them off because they took some time to meet us when ultimately its a passifying exercise ok?

im not a moron!!!.. i know what its about.

the proof again?? the % i always speak of..?
what did they deliver from that meet with people like u... or from the times they have visited TC or other sites to learn from us.

heres a hint.. theyre not looking at how to learn from us mikky.. they are busy morphing into collingwood lite.

so dont insult me with stupidity

i keep saying i know this club better than most people on here... its been my specialty over the last decade to stufdy their ways.
if we had an exam on this joint id be sent off to be a rhodes scholar..

its not that i love myself... though i do....

its because ive been saying this for a long long time.... and you and others have been happy enough to follow the propaganda they have sprooked.
they have never ever acted in any kind of galvanised way to connect.
its all words.

i dont get involved in that shit...
ur annoying me by insulting me too....
dont do it!!!

i know why i didnt go there....i have reasons.. the biggest reason is its tokenistic

do not ask me again why i didnt go.. ive explained it over and over...

answer questions like what benefits have come from it...!!!... and ask yourself why did YOU go?

i know what this club does to its people... ive seen how ordinary people have been treated
some within and us outside the inner workings.

grow a backbone !!

get off that cloud!!! :roll


Our club is at a place it should never be .... i know why.. and i know im pushing shit up hill....
what needs to be done is get the numbers around the club to have the spotlight forced on the board and their partners... and shame them for what they have done.
going along to their pacifying exercises isnt one of the effective ways to create change.

because theyre not interested in change.. theyre interested in their 'self'.. hence the culture

if you wanna change the culture .. call the radio and ask for a full independent review of the footy club
personally thats all i have been interested in for years.. theyre not!!
so there is no middle ground.!!!

u know i give the club nothing? not one dollar...
why? because one way to stop a fire is to starve it of oxygen....
money? they understand money....
people they dont!!!..

its my choice...

i dont look to see what the person next to me is doing... i just look at what i do.

there is always a topping point.. when it becomes extremely obvious ... change is forced.

they rectified this to a degree by buying up close to 5000 memberships themselves last year....
one member in ten is a drone....that member ia a visy paper mache member.
you dont find anything offensive in that???.. nothing that raises eyebrows?
you dont wanna know whats going on at the club?
if you do.. dont waste your time meeting them.... call sen and 3aw and the abc grandstand and ask for an independent review of the footy club from top to bottom...
in this 150th there will be nowhere for them to hide.. the media will jump on it
im sure the club will sink to new depths this year... could be a defining season for this footy club to change .
or we could be same old same old and just end up a melbourne/ richmond

ok???

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he went to the meeting.. the club isnt better...in fact nobody listened...

and by the way...which one are you ???

we always get the drones popping in just about now...

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He said they raised the issue of interstate members. They listened. They acted.

Agree cb

But, there must be a positive in this wave of exasperation shown by the masses here. For a start, it shows that whilst our footy club pretend to be in Kansas, for most of us, this club is in Damnation Alley. At some point, the opposing posits have to confront each other and there has to be a full scale explosion (read-proper internal review, heads AT THE TOP rolling, significant strategic shift etc etc)

Ultimately, we are judged by on field outcomes. Many of us were concerned about the footy dept back in 2010 and were told in no uncertain terms that this steady as she goes approach from the dark days of 2005-2007 would hold us in good stead.

Well its flowering 2014, the masses here are telling each other that they don't see a bright future for, and let me say this clearly - a club I love to death, as a Brunswick boy growing up in the 70s. Yes I know that my emotive language could sometimes be more measured after a loss, but flower hell, it wasn't so much the loss to PA, but what I saw as the same old same old same old. Three seasons have gone by since my original beef with the Ratten/Sticks/Hughes triumvariate. Three years in footbal terms is half the average career of an AFL player

Membership mediocre for one of the supposed big Vic clubs
Ageing players, how many from the 2010-2012 draft playing with conviction and authority
Bargain basement coaching panel
Sticks at the helm - say no more, at the mercy of families

Yes, its all been said before....BUT WHEN WILL THIS flower NIGHTMARE END?????????

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