..it's the carlton way.. ..i wouldn't be surprised if we repeat the same thing importing in a quality KPF..

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and also if i can jog your memories.. we started to hit our straps and played our best footy when juddy was out of the side.

and off field.. wth the people we have at our helm.. NOBODY would call us anything except "mediocre"

So my argument is ... good people make things happen not benefactors and people who want things around the club named after themselves.. or want to run the club directly or indirectly.
Control the finances and you control the club.... Thats what banks do.. its whats happened here.

If they were fairdinkum they would pay the debt our and leave,,,

why?
because if we owe seven... they will probably pay heaps more than seven on the drip over a long period of time.. keeping our heads just above water .. but not paying it off to ose influence of the club
Richmond got rid of their debt... not by benefactors...!!!

An illusion is being painted for us to believe that if they leave the club will no longer exist.
Is it so they are bigger than the Carlton football club???
that the very future and destiny of the club can only be guaranteed if they are around? GTFOOH!!!
Anyone who believes that crap is a few cents short of a buck....

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Synners, now that 1&2 cent coins are gone, the price would be rounded up, thus would those that believe still be short?

Synners, I have been your greatest fan during the Essendon** drug cheating saga...... You have been our voice.....for that I dips my lid......however, your invective about Judd is so irrational.......I've seen 8 flags in the flesh and he single handedly got the mojo back into this club...... got my young son excited about being a Carlton supporter..... I watch this guy play live and he gives more than any other player I have seen.... I have but one question and one question only.... how many times have you been at the footy and watched this man live?

eric .. i love your stuff.
but your young son will leave the game if we dont get above average.
the mojo is artificial... it has no sustainability.

what needs to happen is this club does everything better than it is.. and a lift of 10% across the board is better than a chris judd

one individual wont cut it

we havent had a mojo on 2 years

and before that we had a mojo that was built on promise

hope your son sees what i have seen from this club.

im not selfish ... i want that kind of joy spread around carlton people....

unfortunately we have too many older people around the club happy for club personalities to continue on doing what theyre doing because those club personalities were reponsible for their memories
they have no regard to what happens to younger generations .

every carlton supporter has a right for the carlton footy club to give them equal joy.

carlton administration and players have a duty to deliver that to every generation of carlton people.
That should be the aim.

What we have right now is a bunch of fat cats on and off field.

Remember....Chris judd is happy to take the money and call the club (its the team that represents the club) as "Mediocre"

his words not mine.... so in a world of the salary cap.. youd think his over payment is a root cause??? not the only one mind u... not by a fair way.

but i have no qualms addresssing each and every root cause for mediocrity around the club

ive been doing it and copping it for years.....water off a ducks back..

i dont have a problem with the criticism.. because i know your son is not in the place you and i were... and i want him to be there

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I think it's hilarious that you blame judd for taking money the club is offering him.

I agree with you that he shouldn't be (if he is) the highest paid player on the list - but that's on the club, not him. Were you blaming Kouta for his deal as well? Every single player in the league - every one of them - would be 'happy to take the money'. So why single out Judd? Until this season just gone, I think he's provided very fair service for the contract on and off field. It should be being wound down now ( in fact I think it shows the six year deal was the right way to go), but if it isn't then the club is at fault.

Some of your onfield criticisms of Judd have some validity, I'd like him to be a bit more defensively minded as well. But I think you are getting carried away with the contract stuff.

^^^ Yeah... it's the Kouta arguments all over again

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No .. you missunderstand.
On one hand Judd isnt too sure if hes going to play on (according to sticks)
on the other judd is fighting for his 3rd party contract as ambassador for that wonderfully ethical company Visy.
then we get the story he has absolutely taken a massive pay cut.. (he did but its massive anyway)
Then we have board members paying his investment losses.
We have very average performance as well as a guy who cant be bothered going to meetings
Doesnt run both ways..
A champion who cant kick .. and a wife who says after the Richmond game "he flicked the switch".. does that mean he can always flick it on ???

But the rib tickler in all this is "i have to play with mediocre teammates"
Tell me thats not what he said....when push comes to shove.. how am i twisting his words...???


yes kouta too.. in the end he didnt play with his heart in it.. hut was happy picking up the cheque

its how we aim at ultimate success.

i wouldnt give a ratts about players not doing the job.. current and former.
sticks
ratts
lance
campo
lucas
judd
kouta.. (one of my faves of all time...)

i just wanna see guys who can do the job... whatever it is thats their job....

there are reasons why were shit!!!

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so u wanna see a million dollar man run 2 ways???

why should a million dollar player run 2 ways???

any reason???

contracts are very important my friend.

ask a team like geelong who had a dozen all australians and brownlow medallists and 3 flags in a half a dozen years about contracts and their importance

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Just FYI.....
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Lets look forward!
Doing the team board this year has me excited.
It all really hinges on Waite staying reasonably fit or Casboult becoming a key forward.
Thomas will add so much if he is right.
Hopefully it all clicks under Mick this year and we have a successful one.
On our day we are good enough to beat anyone, just need more of our days!

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FYI look the other way!

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I'm not so sure Mick is as under the pump as we are saying he is.

Judd down back would be a disaster with his disposal. Forget it, he is a premier midfielder and needs to play there.

Let's Take this from a glass half full perspective and look at our possible weapons:

The fact we lack a key forward will make us unpredictable going forward and harder to defend IF we are working as a team and leading at the ball carrier effectively. We have numerous options both current and developing. Everitt and Walker swinging between defence and forward would be a nightmare for a defender as both have completely different attributes/weapons.
Waite is an excellent forward as is Garlett and with Menzel coming on and a resting mid(Murphy will kick more goals this year) we have a unique blend down there. Throw Hendo in are we are now dangerous.

Carrots is getting on but he is a fitness machine and now firing for the coming season. Bell will improve, Curnow is a premier stopper who will also improve. The fledgling aspect of our midfield now have another season and pre-season under their belt. A big plus.

Defensively we are unstable and this is the area of concern if we snag the odd injury. I'll cross my fingers there.

We don't have a shite list at all, we may not be flag ready but we will be competitive and interesting to watch.

I'm a realistic supporter and looking forward to some new faces and a new direction for 2014.

Good luck to Mick and the team.

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Why would Judd play down back?

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Start up a new thread 'Judd was a waste of money' and I'll know not to bother.

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who GAF???? its not about you Mr lightweight

Bored???

imagine this site with 100 of you???... pffffft.... bored!????!!!


im discussing carlton ...

go get unbored yourself.. stimuate yourself...

dont look for others to help u over your own shortcomings.. we dont need to entertain you to your own anomalous taste

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Awesome post !
Just what I wanted to hear - this has cheered me up from the usual doom and gloom on here

Thanks Mikey!

In an earlier post, I commented I would like to see Judd spend less time in the midfield as I believe he is stopping others from developing in there ie Gibbs (who I would like to see spend most of his time as a mid).

I don't think Judd should spend time forward and I would rather see him trialled at HB as he could set up from down back and I think he is a better field kick than kick on goal. This would also allow Simpson/Walker/Thomas/Tuohy to play in the midfield, who would provide more run/spread and allow guys like Gibbs, McLean, Cachia, Bell and Cripps (when he is ready) to play that extractor role.

I think we have better mids who can go forward than Judd - Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Bell, McLean, Robinson, Lucas (anyone) and it would add another string to Judd's bow and prolong is life in the game.

McVeigh, Bartel and Mitchell are all inside mids who have gone back and I am not saying Judd will automatically be a star down there but I would like to see it trialled and see what happens, with him spending 5 mins a quarter in the midfield where he would be more explosive and harder to match up on.

No one has commented on our new Irish players. Where will they be played?...Will they even get a look in this year?
Wasn't one of them who originally came out with Touhey? Im surprised no one has said much about them really?

I'd assume they'll be trialed in numerous roles to find out more about them.