Oh yeah......... I am starting to like the man.

Cried after a loss while hugging a crying Collingwood player.

Left Harry O on Fev so Fev could kick a bag and win us the game.

Call Milne a name.

See, it's all good

still a coach with pedigree.. and you cant get away from the fact that we used a coach for five seasons and signed him for six who had no pedigree and will never be a career coach.... one elim final is not something to crow about
leaving a team with no leadesrhip after 5 plus seasons isnt too impressive...
not winning more than 4 games in a row in over 115 games isnt much of a streak
using judd as the major pivot isnt amazing intellect.
having no command of the footy world isnt something good coaaches would be envious off.
barracking like a supporter from the sidelines isnt very coachlike...
never having won pivotal games is not a record.
List managent was atrocious

but what is worse is being rejected for the senior job at port....hard to live that down....

apart from all that... was a good coach.....just not AFL standard.....

and yea we can pretend he was great and succesful

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Effes and blue wave you should give Malthouse the same time ratten was given before you judge him. Malthouse has half the list ratten had and our win loss record is comparable

MM won't be too fazed about our losses.

The losses will given him a learning curve about the team and how we stack up against the others.

I have coached and trust me, you learn far more about the team you coach and the rest of the teams in the competition when you lose.

I like Mick in his Carlton gear. Looks very dapper.

Noone is talking about Ratts. Your tic has kicked in again.

Like or hate has nothing to do with what we were lead to believe and expect.
Apparently if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, well we have the most expensive coach in the league. Should I expecting to lift the cup? NO.
What I do expect is a sense of progression in the 8 months Mick has been at the helm. We haven’t beaten anyone of substance and in my opinion have lost ground.
We hear lines like process and not about win lose. Well sorry if we swallow lines like that and didn’t know about win/lose is the only thing we are judged on then we are just sheep and brain dead.
We have lost to teams that were below us last year and again haven’t beaten the top current teams except for Adelaide and West Coast and they have fallen deeper than us, plus we were lucky they on those days they we out of form to boot.
Our general play and skill level hasn’t improved.
Our forward structures haven’t improved.
Our mental capability and strength hasn’t improved.
Some players have taken a step forward, yes but our prime movers and main midfielders have regressed.
The only things that have kept us competitive this year are individual brilliance.
What are the reasons we should be happy with the progress of our team in 2013?
The last five years we made progress (a bit at a time but still progress) under an average coach except for last year when we were decimated by injuries to key personnel and their backup and at the wrong time.
Is it hard to keep the same standard and even to slightly lift the standard with an experienced multi premiership coach or should we tread water for a year because we have a handful of players contracted for this year that shouldn’t be there.
Out top ten aren’t good enough, our bottom ten wouldn’t get a game in the amateurs and the middle twenty can’t be coached by our million dollar coach.
So what are we waiting for next year?
Daisy or Franklin and some draft picks to fix the other 30 odd on the list for success or has he got another year after that.
We hired MM to coach for now not tomorrow.

I expect success with every coach at Carlton not just Walls, Parkin or Ratten

Ratten had half the list available in his last year Mick has a full list and still can't beat Richmond and StKilda and gives up a 5 goal lead in the last to the lab rats.

pensioners take longer to react

Rather the team loose and learn ie who wants to be in navy blue, who wants to be the man that will win the game of his own boot, who will sacrafice his stats to do 1%, who is willing to stand by and watch the others do the hard yakka, who will listen and learn and abide by the team ethic and rules. These are the things that mm is learning from the losses and he knows we are full of broken/false promise that Ratten managed to get from this player group. Have a feeling be huge changes end of season and a couple of fav's will be making their way to a new club after he has had a long hard look at the cattle we have and what we are missing. Year 1 for mm evaluation, change list,, style of play, if we dont continue with the evaluations mm is doing we will continue to be the turds that ya cant polish.

Has anyone figured out the stat for games under 10 points that we have won in the last 5 years? Have a feeling it would be under 1%? My question to MM is how is he gonna turn this introverted, lack of confidence and self believe team into a premiership side?

Don't waste your breath RB

Am in complete agreement ... Good to see people are starting to wake up.

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So basically the point of this thread started off as positive, optimism, look on the bright side, get on with it

But now it has degenerated to :
Mick is no good
We hate mick
He is too expensive
Ratts was probably better
Now we are stuck with mick
We are doomed again
Told you so
But we aren't saying we want Ratts back
Just that we don't want whatever it is that we have

Maybe somebody should start a thread full of only constructive suggestions and ideas that might contribute to carlton reaching a premiership ??

Or is that crazy?

that's a great idea, but theres no denying that Ratts was a shit coach

I can see us doing better in the 2nd half of the year.

What frustrates me is that 2 of our losses could have been avoided if the MC selected the correct side:
- St Kilda. Shouldn't have selected 3 ruckman and Yarran who was under a cloud.
- Essendon*. Betts should have been the sub after missing a few weeks. Yarran too good a player to leave out of the side.

If we won these 2 matches then we would currently be in the top 4.

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Yeah but Ratten would've been the next Bomber Thompson...

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His KTJ strategy was masterstroke coaching

OK ... well lets assume Ratten was a bad coach who got us to the finals 3 out of 5 year. A team that was ripped to pieces during the Pagan years and had gathered up some wooden spoons on the way.
Hmmm ... doesn't make sense does it ... Ok ... maybe we had a reasonable side ... so whats MM doing with it ... CRAP ALL.

Some of his coach decisions this year have been laughable ... disgraceful at best. So much for the Super Duper coach.

I want Carlton to succeed ... I am happy for MM to succeed ... I just don't see it happening. I will be out there barracking like crazy for the mighty Blues on Friday. Hoping we can do something. I believe we have a talented team ... I don't think thats the problem.

This team is a Finals team ... Malthouse needs to be judged by the same measures Ratten was judged by ... As far as I am concerned unless we get to a prelim ... its a big FAT FAIL.

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I have never suggested Mick was shit, ever.
My point if most people seem to be ignoring is that under Ratten we played finals 3 out of his 5 years with him at the helm. He was criticized repeatedly when he was seemed to have lost his way (and rightly so) last year, but again with an injury ravaged list.
Mick has made the same stupid decisions with a healthy list and has lost to the lesser teams and again hasn’t made any in roads to any of our much publicized deficiencies.
I don’t believe we should excuse one coach and not another especially when one has been brought in at great expense with the belief of raising standards and so far has failed to do so.
If Ratten is a shit coach then Malthouse can prove that theory of yours by using some of his experience and knowledge with the same list Ratten had and take us one step further and he can have an advantage by coaching a reasonably healthier one.
Yes