It's not about players anymore. They are lost, disinterested and confused.

This wil not change until changes are made at the top.

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- these guys havent played together since Rd 3 which was my point.It will make a structural difference which was my other point - I believe I said that

Anyway still think we can have a solid 2nd half of year providing a fit & healthy list...smashed collingwood when both lists were healthy..

There are no more players to bring in!!!

If ratts swings the axe in will come t bird Russ and Lucas and the same thing will occur.

Need to soldier on. The players should not get the easy option. That's been happening for far too long.

Terry Wallace just summed it up, Carlton goes to the same players as depth players, who are our rookie?, the current depth players just aren't up to it.

Did he say it in that stupid squeaky/husky voice thing
(attempt to lighten the mood)

Guys, please dont go blaming Brock. He was far from our worst tonight!

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Tell that to Collingwood..............FFS

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How can your system for moving the ball work without two of your best readers and kicks in Henderson and Laidler?

The Bombers struggled once Fletcher went off against Richmond.

It will fall down if you are without Waite and the big forwards we would have been recruited to be a bail out kick. You can't excuse a lack of effort, yet I don't know what you wanted us to try and do without Henderson, Laidler, Kreuzer and Waite there. We missed three talls who could give us a target for our rebounds so we didn't have to go wide. Kreuzer is irreplaceable. Bringing in Watson and Bootsma shows that we should have expected to struggle down back.

Lets just bag Gibbs like a tard too.

Absolutely demoralised right now. Words cannot explain the feeling.
I thought we were soft and would struggle to win a premiership with this group before today, boy you don't want to know what I am thinking currently. Seriously, our coaches have a lot to answer for after tonight. I'm going to leave it at that.

How did Aaron Joseph ever get a contract extension last time around? He had the same deficiencies then that he has now...the same deficiencies that cost us enormously. He had a hand in countless Port goals tonight.

Our list management/drafting is all over the shop...

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The development -or lack of- is the big worry to me.

Where are our picks 30-70 from the last 5 years.

Why not play Rohan Kerr? what's the worst that can happen? McInnes, McCarthy, Bray, Dale, let's have a look at them.

Our list management seems to be completely on the fly. eg. Throw everything at Warnock and then lose Jacobs, Lose Grigg for Collins who'll be lucky to play 10 games for us. The McLean debacle. All this talk about Boak. How about we throw the kitchen sink at Stephen Wells or someone similar because whoever is doing the recruiting now isn't cutting it.

Where's our Roary Sloane or James Magner. We're stuck with blokes who are goers but have serious flaws. We've got talent on our list but it's being mismanaged. Either Gibbs plays on the ball or he plays in the VFL. Get Betts in the middle, Henderson forward, watson as a quarterback. Bower forward is laughable. Joseph, Curnow and Warnock simply need to add strings to their bows to justify their place.

And Ratten has to go. He's been here 100+games. His game plan is just a cover version of others. (The rolling zone, the press) but it's half hearted because everything goes out the window when pressure is applied and they look like a bottom 4 side. No structure, no system, every man for himself. He gets sh*tty when someone has a go at the effort against Melbourne. He's kidding himself. Was he watching the game? It's his job to get the players up each week, clearly that's not happening.
More worrying, we hear things from him that we never see on the field. Either he doesn't know what he's talking about or the players aren't buying in. No good either way.

Need to run a broom through the place. There's plenty of talent there but off field it needs to change. Too much Carlton there, Kernanhan, Gleeson, McKay, the Hawks finally started moving forward when the got rid of all the old Hawks and gave Clarkson free reign to implement his game plan with his regime. We neeed to do something similar. Problem is, a guy like Clarkson back then would never get a look in at Carlton. It will either be Malthouse or Roos or an ex Carlton legend. That's the first thing that needs to change.

Collingwood have structure.. a half forward, a full forward, they have spine with VFL support players..cant compare the two nless one f our young pwr fwds stands up, waite comes in or Watto continues to blossom which he will and Henda moved fwd with Waite.

Tonights effort was completely structureless.

With all due respect....WTF are you on?

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I think a lot of the issues are that firstly, we haven't taken our drafting seriously for a numbers of years. We need to make every pick a winner and we continue to go for 50/50 prospect, in-between players and have flopped too many times on our KP's. And secondly, our players development is deplorable, probably the worst in the league

The 2010 draft may prove to be a killer for us. In our desperation to recover the KP duds we picked up previous years we went for three KP's first up when we needed to bring in a quality mid. I am worried about Judd, Simmo and Carrazzo as previously mentioned. The way this year is going, it might be too late for them already!

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I wonder that one myself!!

These issues exist even when they are playing! If we are forced into slow movement we have no system...we kick it to the loose man or kick it to Betts against two.

You mention Waite in your post - not sure how you can count him...he's barely out there (there's another master stroke contract decision by the football department).

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Carlton look like a team that is playing with no desire or belief. If you didn't know better you'd think we were 14th in the final round of the season looking at the half hearted and uninterested effort the team is putting in.

Glad I didn't sign up for the guaranteed GF tickets option.

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No one is saying we are better than collingwood. We do have key players out though and with them in we are a much better team.
Our depth players are not much and when our good players like Simpson Gibbs walker and jamo are playing rubbish also then we don't stand a chance