Chris Judd was lame. but west coast knew he was leaving.
as for the others you mentioned I didn't see any lame ducks.
curnow~kept being sent back on and he wanted to come off. never the same again.
Jameson. bad knee. missed months.
Austin broken arm.

that's a club all about management.

yes there were others like Judd and Russell managing their injuries but they were not lame.

huge difference!

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You crack me up.

Hodge, Riewoldt, Jolly, Chapman, Judd, Hall
all important players for their respective clubs
all in the top bracket of players
all played injured last year, some more than others.

Everyone does it, nature of the beast.

I heard today that Jamisons injury is worse than first expected...

Is that true?

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I heard the opposite....

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I heard as long as he's match fit for the second half of the season that is all that matters.

All true and there were others. Could come back to bite the AFL at some stage so they should somehow get on top of it. Some clubs are worse than others. Geelong spring to mind but Collingwood and the saints are big offenders.
Doesn't help that the players love playing so much that they would say anything to play.

must be because we owe the club the club doesnt owe anyone anything......

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All true? Port may beg to differ.

Nah...no dramas despite his body being prone to injury. He'll be limited in his preparation. Best medicine is rest where he is concerned.

I saw Jamo getting off a tram in the city on thu (maybe wed). I think he used the side bar to 'swing' off the steps which could mean his back is strong but then he took every step which could mean his back was sore. He used his left arm to grab the bar so I was suddenly worried about the strength in his right arm but then he shot his right arm up to flag a taxi...
My take away from all this is that he's likely to be out for the first few wks of the NAB cup and possibly of the season proper, the club will tell us it's nothing major whether or not it is or isn't, there is little point stressing about every injury or media report, we need to be able to cover 2 or 3 key injuries as do most teams every year in any event and it's way too early in the year for this to have a major bearing on our season.
If it's a long term injury, we'll have to be able to cover it in a sustainable way. If it's a short term injury, it will make no difference to our season.
PS. I did see him in the city and he looked strong and fit...

Actually you may be on the money....according to a very reliable source he won't play in any of the Nab games at least....

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Worsfold showed his true colors during this time.
He is a prick of person and how people have let him escape critisicm is beyond me.
I can't stand the guy every since and hopefully Juddy has bookmarked the treatment he received for future references.

Point taken but it didn't help us in last year's semi? Maybe he was playing lame again?

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Judd was the ultimate arbitrator of whether he played ot not at West Coast, which is the way it always should be. He could have said...not well...not playing

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I'm sorry but anyone who has played footy at any level knows that 99.9% of time players always want to play and the coaching/medical staff have the final say. Judd was always going to give as much as he had in the end to WC, especially knowing he was moving on. Worsfold knew that as well and did what any asshole would do and ran him into the ground. That was evident for all to see at the time.

Sorry can't agree. Yes some footballers put themselves before the side. And yeah....I've played a bit. Good teams and good cultures put the side first ala Presti at Collingwood and many others during the year. Team always comes first. If you can't do the job for the side, you shouldn't play

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Shame Ben Reid didn't do this last year and pull out to let Goldsack or Wood play so Leigh Brown could have a crack at Hawkins.

Didak too. He's still struggling with injuries after playing with a shoulder in 2010 and standing up to win them a flag. If Presti was close to 90% fit or less, he would have lined up to win a flag like Fraser Brown did in 1995 and Anthony Stevens did in 1999. Or Franklin who kicked three goals on one leg last year. It's nothing but spin. Players don't want to let their teammates down by leaving them one man short.

I guess we can sight many examples on both sides of this arguement but for me the main question is

What is the culture at your club. What is the culture of the leadership group. What is the trust that players have in each other around being able to do the job. And yes every player plays with niggles. Thats not the question. Nobody knows like the player. I still believe that the player has the ultimate call. Medical can advise around further injury and the like, coaches can set the task for the player and make a determination around do they fit into the team plan for any particular match, but the player is the last person to say I"m right to go. Just my opinion

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Your' all right.
Players don't want to let their team mates down.
Medical staff can and do leave the call to players and coaching staff.
Some are selfish or selfless.
Coach's don't like to believe their star players can't make a difference partially injured.
There are a multitude of factures that play in this department especially around finals.
One of the biggest is the pressure and guilt of when they look at their team mates face knowing that they would like them out there with them because they knew how important they are to the side.
It does other give players around them more confidence even if they cannot perform to standard.
Footy or team sport is also a mental as much as a physical game.