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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:18 pm 
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I'm all for having another look at Austin (not necessarily to play on Buddy), but I reckon it's pretty clear that Ratten/MC don't rate him, otherwise surely we would've seen him since the WC game? Has not got a look in since, not even as an emergency (someone I'm sure will correct me if I'm wrong on that one....), pretty clear his papers have been stamped for mine.


He has been listed as an emergency a few times since the WCE game.

You don't really see the MC playing him though, do you?


No, unfortunately not. Which is a pity.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:25 pm 
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I disagree. We need a big scalp coming into finals and the Saints dont count. If we don't win this one, we are not a legitimate flag threat and that would disappoint me.


Agreed. This rubbish about this game not being critical is absolute nonsense. A win gives us confidence, self belief and some pre finals hardening up. We have injuries but so do they. And as someone else pointed out, it puts a little extra pressure on the Eagles to win. FFS, there is absolutely nothing to be gained from an honorable loss at this point. Go for it Blues. As far as I can see it, we are still 4th. Would rather end up 5th on the back of a good winning streak than on a hiccup or two pre-finals.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:38 pm 
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Hawthorn are missing there bookends in Roughhead (who always goes well against Carlton) and Stephen Gilham. They are also missing there best ruckman in Brent Renouf and good runners in Clinton Young and Xavier Ellis. Carlton are coming back from Perth but i sense we put the cue in the rack for the last 20 mins against Fremantle in order to have serious crack at Hawthorn on Friday night. Hawthorn intimidated Carlton in round 9 last year with hard bodies and superior foot skills. Ratten would have eyed this game at the start of the year as one that he really wanted to win.


That may just be the best post you've made on TC.

I reckon guys like Murph, Robbo and Yarran will be targetted and need to stand up to that and dish it out as well. Robbo in particular has gone off the boil a little and we need him to lift and set the tone.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:39 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I disagree. We need a big scalp coming into finals and the Saints dont count. If we don't win this one, we are not a legitimate flag threat and that would disappoint me.


Agreed. This rubbish about this game not being critical is absolute nonsense. A win gives us confidence, self belief and some pre finals hardening up. We have injuries but so do they. And as someone else pointed out, it puts a little extra pressure on the Eagles to win. FFS, there is absolutely nothing to be gained from an honorable loss at this point. Go for it Blues. As far as I can see it, we are still 4th. Would rather end up 5th on the back of a good winning streak than on a hiccup or two pre-finals.


SydneyBlue said in a post earlier that if we lose its season over. Personally i hope we win but i wont be slashing my wrists if we lose and still believe if we lose we can make a prelim.

I dont think anything we say is going to change the way the team approach this game.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:15 pm 
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club29 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I disagree. We need a big scalp coming into finals and the Saints dont count. If we don't win this one, we are not a legitimate flag threat and that would disappoint me.


Agreed. This rubbish about this game not being critical is absolute nonsense. A win gives us confidence, self belief and some pre finals hardening up. We have injuries but so do they. And as someone else pointed out, it puts a little extra pressure on the Eagles to win. FFS, there is absolutely nothing to be gained from an honorable loss at this point. Go for it Blues. As far as I can see it, we are still 4th. Would rather end up 5th on the back of a good winning streak than on a hiccup or two pre-finals.


SydneyBlue said in a post earlier that if we lose its season over. Personally i hope we win but i wont be slashing my wrists if we lose and still believe if we lose we can make a prelim.

I dont think anything we say is going to change the way the team approach this game.


This is my position as well. Yes I want to win every game, but I won't be topping myself if we don't beat Hawthorn, we're nicely placed to at least make a prelim even with a 5th place finish.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:24 pm 
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CARLTON may recall forgotten man Jordan Russell against Hawthorn, as Michael Jamison fights to prove he deserves an instant recall to take on Hawthorn forward Lance Franklin.
The Blues are facing unprecedented selection pressure before Friday night's clash.

Defender Jamison is fit after missing eight weeks with a knee injury and ruckman Shaun Hampson resumes in the VFL, also after a knee injury.

The Blues also expect to select Bret Thornton after his heavy hit against Fremantle that left him with a badly bruised eye but no structural damage.

Jamison will try to prove his fitness at training this week, but Carlton is still flirting with giving him an immediate recall after a torn meniscus in his knee.

He will play at either senior or VFL level.

Jarrad Waite is also pushing after hip surgery, but seems more likely to resume with Northern Bullants next week.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:33 am 
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Hawthorn are missing there bookends in Roughhead (who always goes well against Carlton) and Stephen Gilham. They are also missing there best ruckman in Brent Renouf and good runners in Clinton Young and Xavier Ellis.
Yeah, nah.

Roughead's a loss, but Hale's been a pretty decent facsimile in filling the 2nd ruck/forward role. We miss Stratton more than Gilham and Bailey's a far better ruckman than Renouf was. Young's out of form and appears to have injury and off-field worries while Ellis just can't get his body right.

From the side against Port, we're only missing Roughead, Stratton, Savage, Osborne and possibly Ellis from a theoretical best 22. Given how we've been over the year and the injuries other sides have had, we've got no excuses.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:09 am 
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Interesting to watch Gerard Healy using the Dermott Brereton argument on the couch last night. Apparently Hawthorn have more depth in their midfield than Carlton with Hodge included in their first rotation (The listed group includes wingmen)
AFAIC, Hodge is a superb loose backman but a very average midfielder.

Also, no mention of Scotland in Carltons rotation yet Walker gets a gig. :?

I suppose you can always doctor things up to support a viewpoint.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:11 am 
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After watching Quarterbrain last night on OWAT I want to win this one even more now.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:14 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Interesting to watch Gerard Healy using the Dermott Brereton argument on the couch last night. Apparently Hawthorn have more depth in their midfield than Carlton with Hodge included in their first rotation (The listed group includes wingmen)
AFAIC, Hodge is a superb loose backman but a very average midfielder.

Also, no mention of Scotland in Carltons rotation yet Walker gets a gig. :?

I suppose you can always doctor things up to support a viewpoint.


BV he made the same comment last night on 3AW when interviewing clarkson, that their mids go deeper than ours.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:14 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
How often does Hodge play midfield?



About the same as Scotland. :lol:

I think our midfield is better, not sure who bats deeper but we'll find out Friday night.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:25 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Interesting to watch Gerard Healy using the Dermott Brereton argument on the couch last night. Apparently Hawthorn have more depth in their midfield than Carlton with Hodge included in their first rotation (The listed group includes wingmen)
AFAIC, Hodge is a superb loose backman but a very average midfielder.

Also, no mention of Scotland in Carltons rotation yet Walker gets a gig. :?

I suppose you can always doctor things up to support a viewpoint.


Didn't they also say Essendon* had more depth to win a premiership than we did on OTC last night?

I agree with the comment re: Quarters and OWAAT. Hope we win and Walls gives it to him :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:22 am 
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Yep that was a strange comparison. I think our B team, on form this year would equal theirs. Anyway - proof will be in the pudding this week


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:56 am 
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From Ratts' presser

- Hammer to play VFL this week
- Russell and Setanta "in the mix"
- Waite suffered a "minor setback"
- Jamo may or may not play AFL and may or may not play VFL
- Tbird fine and will play


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:11 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
- Waite suffered a "minor setback"


Will he be right for the prelim?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:50 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
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- Waite suffered a "minor setback"


Will he be right for the prelim?


:grin:

Sore hip after training on weekend, will train again tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:14 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
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How often does Hodge play midfield?



About the same as Scotland. :lol:

I think our midfield is better, not sure who bats deeper but we'll find out Friday night.


Actually Scotland plays as our defensive wingman. He has accountability for an opponent but he also has a strategic role at stoppages. For the record, They were including wingmen in their comparisons. Hodge on the other hand plays as a spare defender. Often without an opponent. Yet they included him in their starting midfield group.
Ignorant.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:45 pm 
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whilst all the attention will be on big cuz - I'm hoping little cuz kicks a bag full

He is due

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missnaut wrote:
amo may or may not play AFL and may or may not play VFL



:lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:08 pm 
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First game I'll be at for a few months...looking forward to a cracker. Our record against the Hawks of late is ordinary at best - they've well and truly owned us for a fair while now. One of the main reasons for owning us (aside from the fact that for a long time there we were rubbish..) has been their more experienced and hardened bodies intimidating our younger side. It happened as recently as last year when they started the season poorly then re-ignited their year by trouncing us in our home game. With more experience into the players and hardness to the ball improved this year, I'm inclined to think that we can match it with them from line to line.

Their midfield is an interesting one. For mine they look slow at times when Rioli is thrown forward. Sewell, Lewis, and Mitchell are not the quickest trio around. We've got it over their midfield in spades...pace being one of them. We can really hurt them offensively if we can get first use of the ball. I'm expecting Sewell to play a lock-down role on Juddy, so we need someone to dish it right back - Robinson. He is not afraid to get in and amongst it, any mongrel the Hawks want to dish out can be returned by Robbo, without doubt. Simpson and Murphy will expose their lack of pace, and Judd will be himself as usual.

This is where the game will be won and lost. We may be down a couple of important defenders as it is...therefore the midfield really need to be on top of their game. Limit their supply going forward and we stop Buddy from exploding with his bags of goals. They are down one damaging player in Roughead - he has given us nightmares in the past few seasons. I'm inclined to put Thornton on Franklin based on experience and the season he's had. Henderson is simply too young and too raw to go with Buddy on Friday night - it would be nice for Lachie to use it as a learning curve, however, a game as important as this should not be mucked around with as such.

The Hawks will be looking for a bit of x-factor up the field and in the middle also, and there are so many possibilities as to who will take who. As we've seen several times this year, Franklin has been moved up the field to provide them with a bit of spark. Do we have a match-up for him if he is afforded this role? Thornton should not go with him if he is allowed this freedom. Kreuzer seems the likely type. Can match it with Buddy athletically, and as we've seen, he is fantastic in and under at ground level. If Buddy is moved up the field and Kreuz can shut him out of the game, that leaves the Hawks one midfielder down and one forward down.

Henderson going forward should be a possbility I think. Thornton should play in the backline after spending a bit of time forward apparently in the last few games, which gives Hendo the all-clear. Hawthorn love it when the opposition bomb it to small targets. Walker is a medium forward and can bring the ball to ground, but we need a tall down there to be certain. He does not have to take towering grabs (it would be nice though..) but provide a presence which allows the ball to be crumbed by our small forward-line. The Hawks think they can worry us with Rioli...well we have three players of the similar capabilities - Betts, Garlett, and Yarran.

The latter will be a game-breaker for us in my opinion. Yarran has been brilliant running us off half-back all year, and we could be in for a match-up between him and Rioli. Cyril has often been allowed big impacts in games throughout the year because his opponent has often been unable to go tit-for-tat with him on pace. Yarran at the very worst breaks even with Rioli in this respect. It would be an interesting match-up should it happen, and Yazz can limit his influence with his polish and speed to match.

This is without a doubt our best opportunity in a long time to knock off Hawthorn. We owe them for several hidings over the last few years, including the 100-point smashing in 2007, the 12 goal belting in 2008 and disallowing Fev a 100th goal, "that" game in 2009 where they didn't win it, we lost it, and last year's debacle. We are down a few players, but it will still give us an indication as to where the side are at coming into the finals.

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