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Yazz will be a GUN! Patience people![/quote]

Let's hope so. Right here and now Rich is an ELITE kick of the football. At present he would be in the top 5 players in the AFL for spotting and delivering to a target inside forward 50 and this is the area that is the most difficult to deliver to ... name me one player from Carlton that can first spot up and then deliver to a target inside 50 with both short and long kicking, better than what Rich can.

Yarran has alot of work to do.

Let's hope so. Right here and now Rich is an ELITE kick of the football. At present he would be in the top 5 players in the AFL for spotting and delivering to a target inside forward 50 and this is the area that is the most difficult to deliver to ... name me one player from Carlton that can first spot up and then deliver to a target inside 50 with both short and long kicking, better than what Rich can.

Yarran has alot of work to do.[/quote]

In my view Rich is the best kick in the league - remarkable distance, accuracy, weighting, vision - a complete weapon, and he's a first year player . From behind the centre of the ground he routinely gets it to 35m out to Bradshaw / Brown's advantage. That is a deadset matchwinning ability. Never seen him use his right boot, but never seems to have trouble getting onto the left.

Are we supposed to care about a Brisbane player?

You will see why Rich was overlooked by six clubs in time.

Let's not forget Yarran was overlooked by 5...

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Let's hope so. Right here and now Rich is an ELITE kick of the football. At present he would be in the top 5 players in the AFL for spotting and delivering to a target inside forward 50 and this is the area that is the most difficult to deliver to ... name me one player from Carlton that can first spot up and then deliver to a target inside 50 with both short and long kicking, better than what Rich can.

Yarran has alot of work to do.[/quote]
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Oh. Sorry. You only asked for one...

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..not so much a case of caring about a brissy player, or any player on another list, more a point about caring what our club does on draft day.. ..and personally i don't think we will see why Rich was overlooked.. ..the way he plays and his skills will keep him playing v.good footy, injuries will be the only thing that will hold him back..

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The way it stands now Rich is better than Yarran.

I thought Yarran was a bit of a risk, and lets hope that this wasn't one of those incredible draft mistake that will be talked about for years to come

My comment is related to the players selected before Rich...

There's no need to twist my post to justify your short sighted stance.

..fair enough, i didn't realise why you were mentioning Rich slippin' to 7th, due to better prospects before him.. ..again, with that in mind i still think it's debatable.. ..Rich was touted as a possible no1 pick for a while at one stage.. ..remember Watts kinda burst onto the scene, before him it was more about Rich and Nicnat.. ..Nicnat definately has the athleticism to make it, footy nous not so much but it should come i think.. ..and Hill looks good.. ..who else was there before him..?.. ..Hurley, again should come good.. ..so far it's just KPP's before Rich.. ..i think i'm missing a pick somewhere, canna remember who?..

..but why do you insist my stance is short sighted..?.. ..it's not like Rich will give you just a few good years to begin with and then turn crap.. ..2 years or so senior experience in the WAFL, playing v.well in his debut AFL year.. ..well enough in his year so far to be named as one of the best debut years [not sure i agree with that but the fact it's arguable says something].. ..barring injuries [as with all players] Rich will give you 10+ years easy.. ..so i'm not sure how choosin' Rich would have been short sighted.. ..i certainly don't think the brions were short sighted..

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Your missing player is Hamish Hartlett. Lets just hope that Yarran does develop into a great player and stays in Melbourne and doesnt want to go home.

that's right ... only asked for one ... you have had all day and he still cannot come up with one ... the four you mentioned are not in Rich's league when it comes to kicking ... Simpson for one would say kicking is the the thing he lacks most.

The media has spent the last week lauding Daniel Rich for his kicking ... the last Carlton bloke that could do that was Greg Williams.

Melbourne took watts instead of rich - melbourne took watts before yarran - melbourne took watts before Nat - the new glamour team Essendon* who do everything right - took hurley before rich -isnt it a bit early 15 rounds into their AFL carrers to be making an assesssment - modern society wants instant gratification - its now spilled over to football

And another thing -my biggest cheers for tomorrow will be for Chris Yarran - to redress the balance of the gratuitous criticisms in here of a young lad miles from home in his first season - hope you go well Chris and weave some of your magic

Second biggest cheer will be for Bryce Gibbs -still dont understand why the is a scintilla of criticism of him -he is performing terrifically at a young age and is going to be a gun

Third will be for Greg Bentley (who I doubt will make it ) but he cops plenty and goes into battle for us - so lets be supportive

Fourth -Hoola - played nearly 200 games for the blues - played since he was 17 in a the gun side and has always been subject to criticism

..for some kids sure it's way too early to tell, in the case of Rich you can tell already that he's gonna be a good solid contributor at the least, he looks more likely to be a v.good to great player.. ..as for which teams chose who....

..the Dee's needed a KPF after Neitz retired and Robbo's on his last legs.. ..weagles and Nicnat cos their only good ruck is Cox, and Nicnat is a WA boy to boot.. ..the Bumbers are also in need of a KPD with the Fletch on his last year or two..

..i dig what you mean about instant gratification, but that's also because these days the draft is crucial to list management.. ..it's a far more competitive field now days, and with the draft concessions coming in, last year and this year are vitally important.. ..and when you consider the avg duration of an AFL player, you don't always have the luxury of time being on your side.. ..say a good player might last 10/12 years.. ..quite simply, the faster they come on, the more afl quality footy they give to the club.. ..patience isn't a virtue when it comes to list management, especially with a list like ours that isn't properly balanced yet..

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Don't forget that Chris Judd was overlooked in the draft by 2 Clubs before West Coast picked him up.......it's almost

inconceivable that Juddy could be judged as a third best pick.....even 'tho Hodge and Ball are good players.....IMO.....not in

the same ballpark as Judd.

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..just wanna again clarify that i'm not baggin' Yaz, he didn't choose what number he was picked at nor which team drafted him.. ..he can't help being bottom aged, nor is it entirely his responsibility how quickly he adjusts to city life, afl team needs etc etc.. ..though he does have some control and i hope/assume he's trying his fastest.. ..my gripe is with us thinking our list was at the stage to choose such a young kid that needs nuturing vs a ready made player type that also addresses a bigger concern on our list..

..for what it's worth i reckon Yaz should make it, and should make it well.. ..i just hope for our team's benefit he doesn't take too long cos we're not good enough to wait and wait and wait for our top ten pick to play good.... ..JR had the luxury cos our team was crappola and languishing at the bottom.. ..if Yaz takes as long as JR has to play good [some will argue JR's yet to prove himself], then yes i believe we made a mistake.. ..again, not Yaz, the ppl that chose him..

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..clubs were worried about dodgey shoulders, much like clubs worried about dodgey knees [selwood] and how clubs worried about dodgey upside [rich]..

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Yep.....and West Coast was the only Club that got the good medical info......and got the prize.

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