You obviously dont watch the game closely enough.

Gibbs hangs out the back of packs too much.

Too many sideways kicks

Kicking lacks penetration

He is the Thornton of the midfield

He is too interested looking good



I have been banging on about Stevo for years

A few more peformances like that from our vicecaptain and even Budsy Blues will change his view

He is an outside mid too much

But his name is Gibbs right so I must be wrong. Right.

Maybe not so much wrong as blind.

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That really is a ridiculous post Keogh. You just can't help yourself finding a target and firing shotgun. Did you see how shattered he was after the siren last night? Have you seen the the back of today's paper - Gibbs looks devastated. His disposal efficiency is up there with the best. To say he lacks penetration in his kicking makes me assume you may not watch games closely enough.

Can someone please just explain to me why Waite was not a permanent forward for the entire night? I just don't @#$%&! understand. Fev clearly had issues, but Ratten insists on leaving cloke up there as the 'other' target. another poor MC decision to leave the human block of cement in the side. No-where to hide him. Forward or no-where. would have been better off leaving him off the ground. Waite was the one that looked most likely. put him forward in the 2nd quarter left him there long enough to get us back in it, and then he's out of there. Just shit coaching.

The worst thing about last night was that you just had that feeling all week that it was coming. We have not improved from last year. just very disapponting

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I wont resort to pot shots towards other posters

I call it the way I see it.

He didnt chase Thornton as he ran into goal.

He allowed a dockers player to run by him

He kicks with little penetration

He aint quick

He takes too long to get rid of the ball

Maybe he has got an illness called I am a number one draft pick so I can get awy with it.
I dont know but I reckon he can work harder.

And I hope every player was upset by the loss because it wasnt good enough.

Anyway if you think I am talking shit just watch the replay on one

4.45 pmTues if you havent anything better to do and get back to me if you think I am talking shit

That depends on where you put the standard. We'll never be where we need to be relying on those two. At best, one has to play a reduced role and the other moved on.

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Bull crap! That's unless you don't mind the the better sides doing the same thing better than us.

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No one did, there were three of them and the error was caused by a turnover from I think (Jamo?). I think it's fair to expect the ball to be going your way when a teammate has it.



Point being?



Absolute bulldust, one of the best kicks in our team.



Wrong again. Chased down mcPharlin who is no slouch and has displayed speed this year. Just needs to use it more.



Picks the right option more often than not.



Maybe you have an illness that causes you to constatly bag your clubs players, no matter who they are. Is there ANYONE in our team that you rate?



I don't need to watch it again to tell you're talking 5hit. It's plain and obvious for all to see.

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Take a chill pill Hellas

I reckon your wrong .We will agree to disagree.

But we dont want him to end up like our mate Stevo do we

I would of thought that if you allow a player to pass you the point is its not good enough

I dont come on here just to bag shit out of players.

But as you would agree allowing to have guys like Stevens to get away with blue murder on the footy field for so long and have no follow up gets a tad frustrating for some supporters like myself.
I am stating that IMO Gibbs has gone backwards in the last month. He needs to work harder particularly with getting more involved at ballups.
Judd and Murphy will be playing in wheel chairs come round 22 with the amount of work they have to do inclose. Gibbs needs to take turns with these guys and IMO he aint doing it enough.

OH and by the way who do I rate on the list.
Gibbs is one because he has got heaps of potential but I can see some bad habits creeping into his game. You have to think that a guy with such talent can slip into some lazy habits.
Compare that to Joseph who is another guy on our list I rate who has had to work hard to get where he is at who blows a head gasket everytime he plays.

My thinking when reflecting on it was that the coaches did all they could to spark the team last night - it really did fall down because the players seemed to believe they'd get out of any scoreboard situation they were in. It was the most disappointing team effort I've been to - and I went to the 117 point slaughter at the Gabba only two years ago....

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We did none of it consistently, and they made us pay.

It was disgusting to see that rag-tag bunch of surfer jocks high five each other because we couldn't muster a game plan that involved using the corridor as the preferred option.

We have some of the best contested ball winners in the business and we're instructing them to be afraid of the contest.

Stupid using Austin up forward, stupid not dragging Yarran and telling him to pressure, stupid not putting Brendan deep and have him work the 15 metre arc around goal when he was never going to break the zone with a tweaked leg.

Stupid handballing into traffic without assessing how the next bloke is going to get rid of the ball, stupid not re-jigging the forward line sooner after plan B failed, stupid hanging onto the ball so long that any low percentage options were well and truly gone by the time our guy in possession got rid of the ball.

Stupid, all game. Tired? Maybe, but you can still execute better than that if you know what you're doing. This is EXACTLY what happened in our pre-season game against them, and we don't have an answer for it now? STUPID.

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Guess it has to b weighed up aaginst his drive from the back.

Big ask for a kid, but if Aussie could hold down a key defensive post ....

Doesn't help that Eddie's output is down a bit and Wiggo is out of sorts.

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I think you're overly critical of a kid whose just turned 20 and perhaps you expect too much. Gibbs is an extremely disciplined player and I dare say he'd be following the coach's instructions to a tee.

I agree that we need Gibbs winning more inside ball but that's up to the MC to direct him to do it. Let's not forget Murphy only started winning inside ball this year. Gibbs is a year behind in experience but in front at the same stages of their career IMO.

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we are so overrated its not funny.
1.cloke? how does he keep getting a game
2.wiggins? one or two good games only, cant kick or make a tackle
3.simpson? could not do anything right last night, have a run in the two's
4.russell? learn to handball and kick please, also have a run in the two's
5.stevens? one more shit game like that and you too will be in the two's

for gods sake leave hampson, austin and yarran alone.
austin is our chb for the next 10 years.[out marked and kicks with great composure]
hampson needs game time just like russell, wiggins and cloke!!!
yarran has just turned 18 and will be a very good forward for us with more game time.

walls is spot on the money, but there is about six others on that list. F___ing overrated!!!!!!!!!!

Who is it that is overrating us ?

I dont see too many people rating us much higher than our spot on the ladder. Maybe some people in the media make big calls after a win but i dont see us as being overrated.

Why does everyone say we are overrated?

No surprise from me.

As I said before the game, if Fev has a bad day out and we have to rely on Cloke and Wiggins as targets, we have no forwardline.

Cloke has not been in any form since round 1. I keep saying this because the only thing he's done is to receive 5 uncontested possesssions in the goals for 5 gimme goals out of his 6. Lets not have a look at his marks, tackles and assists, its embarassing.

Wiggins set the world on fire in the preseason and rounds 1 & 2. I was willing to forgive him for round 3, then again in round 4 & 5. Then there was this article about all the Wiggler apperas and his supporters lapped it up. The reality is after the bulldogs game he should have been put on notice...and then we get the last 3 weeks.

Someone should be measuring these guys. Setanta and Houla were the fall guys.

They all should have been dropped except Setanta, because ehe didn't fail.

Ratts...what are you doing? Move the ball faster and pick players on form FFS.

There's no movement in the forwardline from Betts and Yarran because they have no idea where the crumbs were going to come from with Cloke and Wiggler lost.

What a great midfield we have in Judd, Murphy and Kreuzer. But we need more!!!!

But I have to say I'm in shock with Hadleys' games post round 2. He was hapless. He's gawn from my best 22. Stevens' was embarrassing as a leader let alone as a player.

Bettsy is a better midfielder than both Stevens and Hadley. I can't believe I've brought myself to say that.

We had a sort of rugby style midfield strategy (imo), congested and when we pushed forward we stopped at the clogged up HF and took wild shots at goal.

FFS drop the out of form Cloke and Wiggins for a start.

Keep Hampson, Armfield and Austin and give them the time and good coaching; they will repay in the long term. Keep Hammer till at least Warnock is back.

Inject some pace in the team with Robbo, Setanta, Browne and Garlett and lets run the ball through the corridor....mix it up. Lets start playing with some bravado,

The backline are fine without Waite (Waite to stay , because the name of the game is to win the midfield and kick the greater score, and we can do that.

The only excuse I can give that we didn't get over the line was that Hawks EPIC game last week certainly took its toll on both Blues and Hawks.

Lets make the necessary changes: personnell and game plan before the season ends and we do a Freo circa 2008.

We have to beat Collingwood and resurrect the season. We can be a Top 4 team with the core we have, and when Warnock and walker return we should be playing like one, but lets get organised this week Ratts.

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Just to add to the game comments

Hit outs
Blues - 21
Freo - 45 (including 42 to sandilands)



Sandilands had double the hitouts of our entire team (and many of them went to clear freo advantage)

Sandilands is a 26yo, 211 cm, 125kg monster

We were competing with
Kreuzer as first ruck - 20yo (actually still 19 for 3 more days), 200cm, 95kg
Hampson - 21yo, 201cm, 95kgs, project player

So basically our ruckmen were giving away 10cms in height and 30 kgs of weight, most of which is muscle (comparison would be Mr 206/warnock who at 206cm is 96kgs, ie still about 30kgs lighter)

Ignore the fact that it was freo and look at the ruck stats. Was it really that surprising that we ended up losing the match? 99% of teams will lose when there is such a discrepancy in the ruck.

Stevens sets a poor example......which unfortunately is infectious.
Make a tough decision MC and send him to the Ants for a while.

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