I mean what I said, that we don't know yet. What if he comes back at 90%? Is that still worth 2 200 game picks/players?

It's not scare mongering, it's considering the risks.

It's not like he is dying FFS!

What are you on about...again?

I agree with Verbs

Absolute crap to claim one groin injury in a blemish free AFL career means he is on his last legs.

But it's much better to bring the best of what you term the "old" Carlton into the "new" Carlton.

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And I am saying it is a possibility that he may come back in reduced capacity (as Kouta did), whereas you appear to be ignoring it .... I say ignore it and we are very foolish. There IS risk associated with it, and it reduces his value.

The question is how much.

Josh, from all your comments I see someone who appears to be star gazing and ignoring the risk and our reasonably strong bargaining position. I say pick 3 for a pick 3 who is half way through his career.

But they are apparently talking the PP AND pick 3

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He's worth what the other clubs offer. WC won't let him go to the tigers for nothing.

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I'd be absolutely spewing if we gave up our PP for Judd, I don't even think we should give up our pick 3 either.

can you explain this please? Do you honestly think our number 3 pick will be equal to or even 75% the player that Judd is?

Either way I think we are in the box seat to offer only one of our first round picks as other clubs won't come up with much else

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Spot on Game. That is the whole issue explained perfectly. WCE will take the best deal on offer which will be short of what they want but pretty good anyway. We are in a very good bargaining position.

AT the end of the day Judd will go to the club that can offer WCE the best deal, not necessarily the club he would most want to go to. He is walking as club captian and hurting WCE considerably, if he tries to be a prima donna and only go to a nominated club - the Pies say - then I hope WCE call his bluff and send him thu the PSD. BUt Judd I think will not try and dud WCE further but will go where they can do the best deal. Which is likely to be Carlton Melbourne or Essendon* ( who have some very promising young West Australians plus a high draft pick).

Why would he go to the bombers - he doesn't even know who would be his coach

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Peter Sumich or Guy Mckenna would be favourite to win the job now

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I imagine Essendon* will be keen to appoint a coach before trade week now.

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I think Swann & Icke are better card players than most.

my gut feeling is that we won't trade pick 1 or Fev for that matter.

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Let me explain, I don't want to trade our PP. Full Stop.

I also don't like the idea of trading our Pick 3, regardless of the outcome, I am *considering* it in relation to Judd but I'm not %100 convinced.

For instance if we traded pick 3 & 20 for Judd and got pick 12 back that might be ok...

I'd like to see the deal done. Pick 1 should be a no-go. Picks 3 and 20 and a player would be acceptable to me. This is a unique opportunity to pick up an above elite player. When you talk about players like Buckley, Voss, etc, Judd is superior to them. He has few peers.

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I think all of us would love to have Judd at the club and you cant dispute his credentials or ability but I wouldnt mind a RWC on his groin and I think Pick 3, 20 and a player especially a pick 4 in Kennedy is starting to get a bit rich taking into account we are also paying out around the 7 mill for 5 years.

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Judd at the Blues will do 2 things that are most important to me...........

#1. Add some leadership and 'winning mentaility' to the side of young kids that have seen VERY LITTLE of both in the last few years.

#2. Would bring a large number of new members to the club and the majority of these would be young kids. - Very Important (40,000 members could even be a possibility?)

But, with that said..,............................

Pick #1:- OFF-LIMITS!
Fev:- OFF LIMITS!


Pick #3 and #20 and a player would be fine.

I'd prefer to keep Kennedy and Bower as i think that they're best football is just around the corner.
Kennedy seems to be very popular with the rest of the group.
Bower is still uncontracted and as much as i love him, he might just want to go home.

As popular as he is and was a highly valued player of the side this year, i'd be more than happy to offer up Scotland.

Scotland, in his late 20's, has been very serviceable to our club but West Coast might like the thought of gaining an ready made player to go with the 2 x young kids they'll get in the draft (with picks #3 & #20).

End of the day, West Coast loose Judd but gain a potential superstar in one of Morton, Palmer or Masten, + another top 20 pick (David Myers?) + a ready-to-go player in scotland who could at least take some of the burdon of the Eagles midfielders as they try to fill the gap that Judd has left?

I'd say that's pretty fair to be honest. Granted i'm on the side that is buying and not selling but i'd still say that's a pretty good deal.

Picks #1, #3 And Fev is just plain stupid and we'd be over-paying. Seriously, Fevola - a potential 100goal a year forward, plus 2 of the best young midfielders in Masten and Plamer for Judd? Bloody hell, Even the eagles would know deep down that this is overkill.

So:-

Picks #3, #20 & a player other than Fevola/Kennedy/Bower = Welcome to Carlton Mr. Judd

Anything else = Thanks, but no thanks!

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It'll most likely be 3+20+Kennedy/Bower.

Perferably Bower.

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