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Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

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Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

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Ah....but the odds are on your side there jim......only the very best indigenous players have a long AFL career...like over 5 years...usually missing home too much; unfortunately.

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Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

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Ah....but the odds are on your side there jim......only the very best indigenous players have a long AFL career...like over 5 years...usually missing home too much; unfortunately.

Let me rephrase:

Alwyn Davey will not have a fourth year in the system.

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Why did Hawthorn and Collingwood let him slip if he's that good?

Dowler looks average at VFL level and Ellis hasn't shown anything other than a cameo performance in the seniors.

Yet we are the club that made the mistake. :? :roll:


I did mention there will be some embarrased AFL recruiters. Yet why would I want to talk about Hawthorn and Collingwood. Last time I checked the website was called Talking Carlton. :wink:

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My view on drafting JK:

-As far as I'm aware WH rated Murph as no.1 and JK as his no.2

-Dodoro has made no secret that he had Ryder as his no.1, which given how clear a standout Murphy was, shows how he rates midfielders (if Essendon*'s shit midfield and refusal to address it doesn't)

-The key position players on offer were Mitch Clarke, Pat Ryder, JK, and Beau Dowler. All were from East Freo except Dowler who was Murph's teamate at Oakleigh.

-Clarke was hyped as the no.1 pick before the start of 2005 but after shit performances in the carnival and I think a few poor interviews, people questioned his application to the game but no one denied he had the physical tools to be the best player in the draft .

-Ryder was shy, in and out of school and playing ruck at an undesirable height. Again, lots of talent but bringing a shy, bottom aged kid accross from WA would be a gamble, especially when he wasn't a standout and there was a lot of question marks over his position at AFL.

-Dowler was local and I believe highly rated by the blues. He was strong on the lead and a decent kick but not really a monster physically and the pelvic injury he sustained in a car accident prior to the draft wouldn't have helped his cause.

-JK did not shine at draft camp, he was never an athletic prospect. What he offered was strong hands and a desire to keep presenting and busting his arse. He is also genuine KP size, as in, when he's done he'll be Ackland/Quentin Lynch size. Those blokes are unstopable when they have a semblance of football ability and the balls to throw their body round. JK has this, look at him at VFL level where he gets his leads honoured and you can see his ability. This combined with discipline and a desire to make it, makes JK a certain 150game player in my mind.
Ryder is athletic, he's quick enough to look like he belongs at AFL level, and playing the Jason Cloke role in defence allows him to hide his innability to compete one on one. But KP sized blokes need to be one on one players and be able to create a contest, otherwise a shorter, faster bloke could do the job. I think JK is going to look lost at AFL level until he gets his body ready, not just bulk but real hard and strong conditioning. People are crazy expecting him to be showing anything after one preseason and 15-20 games, but the club is putting him on display and he's copping a hiding even though Dowler gets 5 touches weekly for Box Hill. Stick fat with JK, cos he'll be in the navy blue for a long while


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Great post blue944!

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DIAMOTISM wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
Why did Hawthorn and Collingwood let him slip if he's that good?

Dowler looks average at VFL level and Ellis hasn't shown anything other than a cameo performance in the seniors.

Yet we are the club that made the mistake. :? :roll:


I did mention there will be some embarrased AFL recruiters. Yet why would I want to talk about Hawthorn and Collingwood. Last time I checked the website was called Talking Carlton. :wink:

Then maybe you should support a 19 year old rather than write him off and compare apples and oranges. :wink: :roll:

The only thing similar about Ryder and Franklin is their background. :?


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jimmae wrote:
Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

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They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time. 8)


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jimmae wrote:
Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

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They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time. 8)


Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.

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blu944 wrote:
My view on drafting JK:

-The key position players on offer were Mitch Clarke, Pat Ryder, JK, and Beau Dowler. .



dont forget mitch brown went to the eagles at about pick 18 that year, hes shown a bit

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Warby wrote:
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jimmae wrote:
Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

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They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time. 8)


Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.


Great call Warby. Though we cant stuff up every pick. I think the Bummers are well ahead of us in player development.

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imitation_of_life wrote:
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My view on drafting JK:

-The key position players on offer were Mitch Clarke, Pat Ryder, JK, and Beau Dowler. .



dont forget mitch brown went to the eagles at about pick 18 that year, hes shown a bit


Mitch Brown was 06 draft, pick 16


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Well said 944

Happy to wait until Kennedy's body is fully developed to form a view.

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Give it time boys... the big guys take much longer to come on. That's just a fact. Unless you're a small boy in a big boy body (like Ryder).

We should be looking at Hartlett more closely than JK. He's had another year in the system and looks to have his body very close to what it needs to be to be a regular player. Hopefully the MC will persist with him for at least the majority of the remainder of this year. Then we can make a fair assessment of how we went with that pick. We should expect good value from a pick 25


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Warby wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

Bookmark this.

They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time. 8)


Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.

More than you know.........................apparently.


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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Warby wrote:
BlueIce wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Davey will not last 4 years in the AFL.

Bookmark this.

They'll wish they had drafted Benjamin instead of Davey or Reimers in four years time. 8)


Yes.....Carltons outperforming Essendon* on every line as we speak aren't they?

We're out recruiting them pointlessly...................apparently.


Great call Warby. Though we cant stuff up every pick. I think the Bummers are well ahead of us in player development.

How are Bradley and Laycock developing? :?


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Essendon* recruited ready mades who could play senior footy immediately....we chose more project players who Hughes considered had more upside down the track.
Sheedy wanted some instant impact to win a few more games and shore up a job for next year......Mal Michael was recruited to give some instant impact down back. Essendon* will really struggle in years to come for A Grade players...only Gumbleton could be seen as a potential A grader.
Alwyn Davey is an accessory player only......Murphy, Kennedy and Gibbs are going to be core players......Essendon* have Houli, Hislop, Reimers, Bradley, Stanton etc...all accessory players.
I'm waiting for Essendon* fans to howl and wail like we did when Parkin chose to recruit for the short term only...Sheedy will go from legend to villain in a real hurry....

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Grigg & Hampson are the keys on how we have recruited in 2007 and only in about 3 years time are we going to be able to truly tell.


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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
......Murphy, Kennedy and Gibbs are going to be core players......Essendon* have Houli, Hislop, Reimers, Bradley, Stanton etc...all accessory players.
I'm waiting for Essendon* fans to howl and wail like we did when Parkin chose to recruit for the short term only...Sheedy will go from legend to villain in a real hurry....



Are these the same as non-core promises. Now dont those come around and bite you on the bum.

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AGRO wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
......Murphy, Kennedy and Gibbs are going to be core players......Essendon* have Houli, Hislop, Reimers, Bradley, Stanton etc...all accessory players.
I'm waiting for Essendon* fans to howl and wail like we did when Parkin chose to recruit for the short term only...Sheedy will go from legend to villain in a real hurry....



Are these the same as non-core promises. Now dont those come around and bite you on the bum.


Wouldn't it be flowered if in two years time the AFL finished their review on why Victorian clubs are struggling and give Essendon* special Priority Picks to get them back up the ladder.

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