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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:03 pm 
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Just get SDK - would be more than happy to use pick 11 for him. Far bigger need than another running half back flanker (albeit with all of his talents).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:03 pm 
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Not sure about all this stressing about Kennedy. He goes missing in games. I have been saying this for a while now.

He is good when he has the ball occassionally. But he is very slow. Doesnt really pull his weight in a game. At his age, with his experience and durability, he needs to be doing a lot more.

Doing a few good things is not gonna cut it in this team anymore. At least i hope not.

If he stays ok. But if we get something good for him ie a second rounder, and use that pick for something good, then we should be happy about that.

Dont get clouded by the nice guy player, like our club seems to do.

I couldnt give a flying rats what someone does in their personal time, or how nice they are as long as they perform, and doesnt affect the club in anyway.

We need mongrels, and extroverts. These players need to grow up if they are going to get all sooky about their mates being traded. Its the problem with this club.

We kept Marchbank, Cunningham, Martin too long.

If you are B or C grade, we need to upgrade. Simple as that.

I am sick of losing. I am sick of the same teams making finals with average players. I am sick of clubs going past us ie Hawthorn.

We are better than that !!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:04 pm 
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Nick Negropontis said

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Dan Houston is a star, but the Blues don’t lack for speed and dash off half-back, their issue has been a lack of maximising them strategically. They kick long and wide to contests out of the backline, rather than picking their way through defensive zones.

If they hand over pick 11, are they missing a great opportunity to add some young talent into a list that will soon begin to profile older? They’ll add the Camporeale brothers - Ben and Lucas - under father-son rules, with both expected to fall outside the top 35 picks.

Carlton has been prone to making big trade period splashes in recent years – Williams, Cerra, McGovern and Saad were all big additions, and Houston feels like a similar play.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/19/why-carlton-enters-the-2024-trade-period-and-off-season-in-a-precarious-list/

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:05 pm 
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Dan Houston is a star, but the Blues don’t lack for speed and dash off half-back, their issue has been a lack of maximising them strategically. They kick long and wide to contests out of the backline, rather than picking their way through defensive zones.

If they hand over pick 11, are they missing a great opportunity to add some young talent into a list that will soon begin to profile older? They’ll add the Camporeale brothers - Ben and Lucas - under father-son rules, with both expected to fall outside the top 35 picks.

Carlton has been prone to making big trade period splashes in recent years – Williams, Cerra, McGovern and Saad were all big additions, and Houston feels like a similar play.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/19/why-carlton-enters-the-2024-trade-period-and-off-season-in-a-precarious-list/

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:06 pm 
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It's easy to get romantic about players we've drafted/recruited like they're family or something, but football is a business and the product is hopefully a premiership.

If you were in the car manufacturing business you wouldn't keep an engineer who kept @#$%&! up their part of the overall design if there was a better engineer you could poach from a rival, not even if you got the first one straight from college on a work placement and had invested a couple of years trying to teach them how to do their job properly.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:29 pm 
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This isn't grandmas corner store family business, this is elite level sport.
To go to the next stage we have to be ruthless, Kennedy is behind Hewett and we don't need 2 of them.
Do you want a flag or a happy little family? Decision time coz we can't have both.
Same for Owies, not fast enough-not enough X factor. Went missing last finals.

Time to get ruthless, it sucks but thats football.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:33 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Dan Houston is a star, but the Blues don’t lack for speed and dash off half-back, their issue has been a lack of maximising them strategically. They kick long and wide to contests out of the backline, rather than picking their way through defensive zones.

If they hand over pick 11, are they missing a great opportunity to add some young talent into a list that will soon begin to profile older? They’ll add the Camporeale brothers - Ben and Lucas - under father-son rules, with both expected to fall outside the top 35 picks.

Carlton has been prone to making big trade period splashes in recent years – Williams, Cerra, McGovern and Saad were all big additions, and Houston feels like a similar play.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/19/why-carlton-enters-the-2024-trade-period-and-off-season-in-a-precarious-list/


I buy into his perspective and believe it much smarter to get the game plan right and availability of players back on track. Small adjustments to the list rather than all in on a Houston.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:54 pm 
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Rocky Henderson wrote:
This isn't grandmas corner store family business, this is elite level sport.
To go to the next stage we have to be ruthless, Kennedy is behind Hewett and we don't need 2 of them.
Do you want a flag or a happy little family? Decision time coz we can't have both.
Same for Owies, not fast enough-not enough X factor. Went missing last finals.

Time to get ruthless, it sucks but thats football.

44 players on the list. There is absolutely room for both.

Play him in the 2s instead of the usual ‘honest triers’. Give us half a chance of developing some forwards.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:55 pm 
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I hope houston saves us from ourselves and stays at Port.

Get cheaper trades of players that are not getting opportunities to fill needs. I would sell farm for Sam Dekoning as he fills a strong need. But not Houston at that age.

I would still trade Kennedy, and Owies. Maybe keep Carol if we dont get another mid. Sign weitering and TDK to long term deals. Sign Walsh for 2-3 years.

Let Cerra and the rest wait till next year and see where we are at with durability, need etc.

Go to the draft with the rest. Change the game plan. Get us fit.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:59 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
I hope houston saves us from ourselves and stays at Port.

Get cheaper trades of players that are not getting opportunities to fill needs. I would sell farm for Sam Dekoning as he fills a strong need. But not Houston at that age.

I would still trade Kennedy, and Owies. Maybe keep Carol if we dont get another mid. Sign weitering and TDK to long term deals. Sign Walsh for 2-3 years.

Let Cerra and the rest wait till next year and see where we are at with durability, need etc.

Go to the draft with the rest. Change the game plan. Get us fit.


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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:13 pm 
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I've been thinking, and I actually don't really care who we keep or get rid of as long as we win the bloody thing at some point in the near future.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:22 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
why would reid go to essenscum, am i missing something?



grew up a bombers supporter, trained with them under a pathways program and apparently told some around the club he'll be back there one day. the word was he'd take a big pay cut to play with them. which imo, is what you'd need to land him and still have a team to put together around him.

but west coast is going to offer him 20 mil and 12 years if you believe the media - so that kinda money might could change things

Harley grew up a Geelong supporter. Quote : '' I'm a Geelong man''.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:31 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
I hope houston saves us from ourselves and stays at Port.

Get cheaper trades of players that are not getting opportunities to fill needs. I would sell farm for Sam Dekoning as he fills a strong need. But not Houston at that age.

I would still trade Kennedy, and Owies. Maybe keep Carol if we dont get another mid. Sign weitering and TDK to long term deals. Sign Walsh for 2-3 years.

Let Cerra and the rest wait till next year and see where we are at with durability, need etc.

Go to the draft with the rest. Change the game plan. Get us fit.


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I wonder if the Cats would trade DeKoning or this just pie in the sky stuff?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:44 pm 
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we only need sdk if weiters isn't resigning. they play the exact same position & role, are both average in their disposal, and both aren't mobile. how many teams do we play that have two huge, really competent full forwards?

we need a physical key defender, but not a number one, who will need to be paid number 1 money at some stage.


we need tackling & ball movement & efficiency at the back, speed through the middle, and some creativity and x-factor in the forwardline


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:47 pm 
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The biggest issue with SDK and Houston is both teams would be wanting a pick in this years draft (pick 11), so unless we can trade a future first for a player or to get another pick in this years draft, I can't see us getting either without trading pick 11 and missing out on a midfield gun, again.
Trading Kennedy, Owies (hopefully not), Motlop or Durdin might be a must to get the draft capital to make the above trade even possible.
But then the issue is, other teams are trying to trade back into this draft because the talent is so good.
We should've been more prepared and is why I doubt Austins ability to pull anything remotely creative or advantageous to us off.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Braithy wrote:
we only need sdk if weiters isn't resigning. they play the exact same position & role, are both average in their disposal, and both aren't mobile. how many teams do we play that have two huge, really competent full forwards?

we need a physical key defender, but not a number one, who will need to be paid number 1 money at some stage.


we need tackling & ball movement & efficiency at the back, speed through the middle, and some creativity and x-factor in the forwardline

Spot on. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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bondiblue wrote:
Nick Negropontis said

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Dan Houston is a star, but the Blues don’t lack for speed and dash off half-back, their issue has been a lack of maximising them strategically. They kick long and wide to contests out of the backline, rather than picking their way through defensive zones.

If they hand over pick 11, are they missing a great opportunity to add some young talent into a list that will soon begin to profile older? They’ll add the Camporeale brothers - Ben and Lucas - under father-son rules, with both expected to fall outside the top 35 picks.

Carlton has been prone to making big trade period splashes in recent years – Williams, Cerra, McGovern and Saad were all big additions, and Houston feels like a similar play.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/19/why-carlton-enters-the-2024-trade-period-and-off-season-in-a-precarious-list/



it's a lazy and obvious piece of writing, imo.

williams was a bust. so was martin. mcgovern barely gets a pass and saad is the dash off HB he's referring too, but in saying that he's lost a step or two and it was obvious. in saying that, saad was our best signing we've had in eons.

newman is good, but better in a lockdown defensive role, rather than quarterbacking our D50 exits, boyd is a midseason draft pick that offers some depth and that's all, and cowan is young and definitely our future.

if we go into next season with the same back line that yielded the 4th most points in the comp and who were the league worst at defensive stoppage, we will all be sitting here this time next year, hoping that 2026 is our year to win a flag before cripps' wheels fall off.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:58 pm 
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I don't want to sell the farm for any player, but IMO we've only got a couple of years in this window unless some of our younger players come on in a biiiiig way.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:24 pm 
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yep. we're the closest we've been since '95. this season revealed some chinks and deficiencies. fix them, upgrade some positions and we're right there in the mix next year.

... stand pat with just draft picks & and a new HP dept, and we fall even further back.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:50 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
how many teams do we play that have two huge, really competent full forwards?



Ourselves at intraclub? :lol:



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